Can anyone say if

[BCram]

This is true?
Scotland pays more in tax than it gets back in the block grant.

[Deeranged]

Of course it's true. We, as a nation contribute more to Wastemonster than Wastemonster gives us back in block grant - as do Wales and Norn Oirlund.

What the people that continually spout the 'we wouldn't be able to get the block grant if we were independent' forget is that more cash flows south in tax / NI etc. than comes north in block grant.

Have a think; would any economist, with even a fraction of financial nouse, ever agree to pay out more money than they take in? That only ends in one thing. Mind you - they must be close to that one thing the way the Tories spent money on (ahem) valuable PPE contracts.

[islaydarkblue]

This is true?
Scotland pays more in tax than it gets back in the block grant.

I have read that £12 billion less in tax was raised in Scotland annually than it receives from the Barnett Formula.
However we have never heard from the SNP controlled Scottish Government exactly how much tax is raised in Scotland compared to the amount it receives from Westminster.
We can only assume that the total amount of tax raised in Scotland is less than the amount from the block grant because if it was more the SNP politicians would be ramming the information down our throats.

[BCram]

Is the block grant the only way that money flows from Westminster back to Wales NIreland and Scotland

[islaydarkblue]

Of course it's true. We, as a nation contribute more to Wastemonster than Wastemonster gives us back in block grant - as do Wales and Norn Oirlund.

What the people that continually spout the 'we wouldn't be able to get the block grant if we were independent' forget is that more cash flows south in tax / NI etc. than comes north in block grant.

Have a think; would any economist, with even a fraction of financial nouse, ever agree to pay out more money than they take in? That only ends in one thing. Mind you - they must be close to that one thing the way the Tories spent money on (ahem) valuable PPE contracts.

The income tax raised in Scotland remains in the Scottish Government coffers.
The U.K. government are stuck with the laid down rules of the Barnett Formula which are a beneficial to the Scottish Government.

[BCram]

I have read that £12 billion less in tax was raised in Scotland annually than it receives from the Barnett Formula.
However we have never heard from the SNP controlled Scottish Government exactly how much tax is raised in Scotland compared to the amount it receives from Westminster.
We can only assume that the total amount of tax raised in Scotland is less than the amount from the block grant because if it was more the SNP politicians would be ramming the information down our throats.

Islay, we can only assume, is a very weak form of words. My concern is about the truth of the initial question. Deeranged is quite clear that on this specific measure the amount of tax Sent to Westminster is greater than the block grant. If we could agree that then perhaps we could agree that Scotland and the Scots gets money from Westminster in the form of other payments, perhaps directly to us as individuals?

[The AuldYin]

The income tax raised in Scotland remains in the Scottish Government coffers.
The U.K. government are stuck with the laid down rules of the Barnett Formula which are a beneficial to the Scottish Government.

Income tax is not fully devolved, Scotland only keeps the extra it decides to punish Scots tax payers by paying above the rate of everyone else in the UK. The Scottish government doesn't even collect it HMRC does and gives them only the Scots tax.

[Deeranged]

The income tax raised in Scotland remains in the Scottish Government coffers.
The U.K. government are stuck with the laid down rules of the Barnett Formula which are a beneficial to the Scottish Government.

And I thought you knew about this stuff too.

[BCram]

And I thought you knew about this stuff too.

But do you know if the block grant is the only way that taxes and money raised in Scotland is returned to Scotland?

[The AuldYin]

But do you know if the block grant is the only way that taxes and money raised in Scotland is returned to Scotland?

As I said the normal rate of IT which is set by Westminster and collected by HMRC is returned via the Barnett formula, the higher rate of tax the Scots tax is collected and returned by HMRC separately. Scotland doesn't have the power to collect taxes.