Should I stay of should I go

[Monaco_Totty]

Shame it wasn't like the "good old days" when the manager chose which players HE wanted, rather than a sporting director who drags a load of rubbish in and says there you go coach them. My local side Norwich have a situation we had with Mr orta, a guy called Stuart webber who has bought poorly for 2 seasons, the fans want him out as much as we wanted orta out, hence Norwich are now where they are, mid table. I'm not sure who coaches our players, who's scouts them, and I dread to think what we'll start with come August time.

Reading Arsène Wenger's book about his influence that extended into every pore of the club including where transfers were concerned in that the manager’s authority was total. Wenger always had the final say. Yes the board put support systems in place around him such as their purchase of StatDNA (the football data analytics company) which helped him to identify potential signings but Wenger continued to rely on his own eyes together with those of his own scouts.

Most Bielsa books detail the forensic method of player identity that he was obsessive about. So in an ideal world he'd be one of the few who'd be willing to handle that aspect of the game today & possibly an ideal unique candidate for new LUFC owners with 'lolly' - fan appeaser too (for many I'd assume).

Though in true Leeds fashion we'll probably go down the same routes & grab a last minute cheap young coach & present him with bargain-grabs bolstered with ageing arthritic pro's cajoled by our remaining elder statemen on the infamous LUFC 'players committee'.

We can dream NW but it'll take 'big-balls' to employ a coach of the MB stature of demands to complement our returning young crop of loan outs who'll be back older & wiser.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

With Orta and yeeee ha cowboy gone the I think the young players will stick around if they get game time.

Playing in front of 36k at home and with a huge away contingent (more generous away allocations in the EFL) will still be a draw and with a new broom comes new opportunity.

A season in the EFL with a core of good youngsters should see them all progress development wise too.

Meslier

Drameh Cresswell Wober Hjelde

Gyabi Foreshaw

Summerville Perkins Gnonto

Joffy

Not sure many teams would fancy playing that side in the EFL.

[WTF11]

With Orta and yeeee ha cowboy gone the I think the young players will stick around if they get game time.

Playing in front of 36k at home and with a huge away contingent (more generous away allocations in the EFL) will still be a draw and with a new broom comes new opportunity.

A season in the EFL with a core of good youngsters should see them all progress development wise too.

Meslier

Drameh Cresswell Wober Hjelde

Gyabi Foreshaw

Summerville Perkins Gnonto

Joffy

Not sure many teams would fancy playing that side in the EFL.

Ok, a soupcon of reality to that team;

Meslier won't take a 50% drop in salary, and playing in the Championship, when he doesn't need to, and there has been sufficient interest in him (despite the recent dip in form) to make another PL position (even as second string GK) more than feasible.

Drameh has already indicated he wants away even whilst we have been in the PL

Not many things BB and I agree on, but that Wober is too good to stay is one of them, and why should he take a 50% pay cut when he doesn't have to (and he doesn't)?

Hjelde was good enough to play for us earlier in the season, and performed better than any of the others who have played in LB (except when Wober has dropped into that position). He's done well while on loan, and the "attractions" of LUFC in the Championship would be questionable to say the least.

Perkins has been studiously ignored, and again it would be interesting to see if any new set-up (see below) would be enough to persuade him (and others) to trust that their future will be suitably looked after.

Gnonto won't stay, again he doesn't need to take a 50% pay cut because there are plenty of clubs interested in him (here and abroad)

Joffy falls into the "would they trust the club" faction, even more so since he featured for the 1st team much more than most of those named.

The big issue for all of those who might stay is "what kind of club would I be trusting with my future?" If we are relegated, Radrizzanis dreams of Inter ownership are over, and whatever he might get from the 49-ers (The takeover isn't guaranteed, even if we were by some miracle to stay in the PL), will be substantially lower than previous estimates (if it happens at all).

How confident can anyone be (in particular the players retained after relegation) that we will get capable executives, capable coaches (head and "specialist"), and all the other "infrastructure" requirements that have proved to be so sadly lacking? How much more attractive would the prospect of moving to clubs that have stability, and for whom many have played and succeeded?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Tend to be more glass half full. Think the draw of the club is still bigger than suggested and likely to be more positive if there is change, a plan/vision and good management/coaching appointments.

Players that are contracted to us for a few years the club may just want to hold onto and we also get parachute payments.

Maybe some of those mentioned will go and others will stay but the point being we will still have decent players and if they think they can get regular first team football that is what some of them want.

Time will tell I guess

[whitestomper45]

Ok, a soupcon of reality to that team;

Meslier won't take a 50% drop in salary, and playing in the Championship, when he doesn't need to, and there has been sufficient interest in him (despite the recent dip in form) to make another PL position (even as second string GK) more than feasible.

Drameh has already indicated he wants away even whilst we have been in the PL

Not many things BB and I agree on, but that Wober is too good to stay is one of them, and why should he take a 50% pay cut when he doesn't have to (and he doesn't)?

Hjelde was good enough to play for us earlier in the season, and performed better than any of the others who have played in LB (except when Wober has dropped into that position). He's done well while on loan, and the "attractions" of LUFC in the Championship would be questionable to say the least.

Perkins has been studiously ignored, and again it would be interesting to see if any new set-up (see below) would be enough to persuade him (and others) to trust that their future will be suitably looked after.

Gnonto won't stay, again he doesn't need to take a 50% pay cut because there are plenty of clubs interested in him (here and abroad)

Joffy falls into the "would they trust the club" faction, even more so since he featured for the 1st team much more than most of those named.

The big issue for all of those who might stay is "what kind of club would I be trusting with my future?" If we are relegated, Radrizzanis dreams of Inter ownership are over, and whatever he might get from the 49-ers (The takeover isn't guaranteed, even if we were by some miracle to stay in the PL), will be substantially lower than previous estimates (if it happens at all).

How confident can anyone be (in particular the players retained after relegation) that we will get capable executives, capable coaches (head and "specialist"), and all the other "infrastructure" requirements that have proved to be so sadly lacking? How much more attractive would the prospect of moving to clubs that have stability, and for whom many have played and succeeded?

Where are you getting this 50% drop in wages? Also you completely omit any promotion incentive they will be offered

[WTF11]

Where are you getting this 50% drop in wages? Also you completely omit any promotion incentive they will be offered

Just paying attention that chap everyone (you included) said I should pay attention to.

https://www.theleedspress.com/leeds-...legated-35460/

Of course, he could be wrong (given our dear departed DoFs head for negotiations, who knows) but it would have been sensible, wouldn't it?

And anyway, those who have played 1st team football and done any good (and I include Meslier, Wober and Gnonto in that number), it's not that that will lead them to decide to go, its what the club will be like and the uncertainty about that that I believe will turn their heads, the salary reduction (if true) would be further disincentive.

Btw, promotion, with what we have left, and with a whole new club structure to accommodate whilst playing in the hardest league to get out of, you been taking the same stuff Hopey has.

[whitestomper45]

Just paying attention that chap everyone (you included) said I should pay attention to.

https://www.theleedspress.com/leeds-...legated-35460/

Of course, he could be wrong (given our dear departed DoFs head for negotiations, who knows) but it would have been sensible, wouldn't it?

And anyway, those who have played 1st team football and done any good (and I include Meslier, Wober and Gnonto in that number), it's not that that will lead them to decide to go, its what the club will be like and the uncertainty about that that I believe will turn their heads, the salary reduction (if true) would be further disincentive.

Btw, promotion, with what we have left, and with a whole new club structure to accommodate whilst playing in the hardest league to get out of, you been taking the same stuff Hopey has.

Pretty sure I’ve never told anyone on here to listen to Phil, I await the proof.
The article says most… vague… I would expect the best players will have the best contract contingency written in, I’ve seen Gnonto agent say he reckons Will stays even if relegated.. but like most stuff, it’s all conjecture at moment.

[hgatenasty]

8 only.

[WTF11]

Pretty sure I’ve never told anyone on here to listen to Phil, I await the proof.
The article says most… vague… I would expect the best players will have the best contract contingency written in, I’ve seen Gnonto agent say he reckons Will stays even if relegated.. but like most stuff, it’s all conjecture at moment.

You say you haven't suggested Phil Hay is to be taken seriously when conjecturing, who am I to argue with you. Fact is, many others did when I questioned the veracity of some of the things he has reported on in the past, but no matter

The article isn't vague at all, it states quite categorically that;

"The excerpt from the article in The Athletic reads:

“The better news is that Leeds are protected by significant clauses inserted into every player’s contract, which will see wages fall by a minimum of 50 per cent and maximum of 60 per cent in the event of relegation. This would mitigate the financial damage.”

Now that could be correct, or not, but if it is, I suspect very few of those playing in the 1st team would be happy to stay and take such a cut (would you take a 50% pay cut, just to stay where you were (and not at the wages they get!))?)

You're absolutely right, all this is conjecture and debate, but as we don't yet know our fate, it fills the time (a bit), although my comments about the returning loanees do have some substance. Shackletons agent as I mentioned in another post has said he thinks a move away from LUFC would benefit the player, Drameh has made no secret of his disastisfaction with his current situation, Hjelde and Gelhardt have both been "mentioned in dispatches" by the clubs they were loaned to regarding their desire to get both players back.

Not saying all the young players would go, but what trust would you put in the current basket case that is LUFC, and how much faith that any new owner can fix it, presuming a new owner emerges (and how long would it take)?

[WTF11]

8 only.

"8 only"? sounds like a film title (bit like 12 Strong, or 6 Underground (both v good films, both very different!)