Players out on Loan

[WTF11]

You can ruin a young players long term career by promoting them too early. A big gap between a good championship player to at least adequate PL. Oor defence with no midfield protection is not a place for a promising young un on a regular basis. Just like Kane, Mount etc they will flourish quicker in a balanced championship side and gain far more experience.

And it's equally possible, probably even more likely, that you can ruin a young players career by stunting their growth be exhibiting a lack of faith in the players ability to perform, manifested by a preference to loan out rather than provide 1st team opportunities.

As examples of players who have proved the wisdom of the old adage, "if they are good enough, they are old enough";

George Best – 17years, 3 months, 23 days
Aaron Lennon – 16 years, 129 days
Peter Lorimer – 15 years 289 days
Dennis Law – 16 years 10 months
Harry Kane - 19 years, 21 days
Eddie Nketiah – 18 years, 9 months, 2 days (for Arsenal)
Joe Gelhardt – 19 years, 5 months, 12 days
Fabian Delph – 17 years, 5 months, 15 days

And no, I'm NOT comparing, simply illustrating that across decades of top level football, t e e nagers (and young t e e nagers at that) have not only debuted well, they have gone on to be successful, because someone trusted them enough to give them an opportunity.

[ozleeds]

And it's equally possible, probably even more likely, that you can ruin a young players career by stunting their growth be exhibiting a lack of faith in the players ability to perform, manifested by a preference to loan out rather than provide 1st team opportunities.

As examples of players who have proved the wisdom of the old adage, "if they are good enough, they are old enough";

George Best – 17years, 3 months, 23 days
Aaron Lennon – 16 years, 129 days
Peter Lorimer – 15 years 289 days
Dennis Law – 16 years 10 months
Harry Kane - 19 years, 21 days
Eddie Nketiah – 18 years, 9 months, 2 days (for Arsenal)
Joe Gelhardt – 19 years, 5 months, 12 days
Fabian Delph – 17 years, 5 months, 15 days

And no, I'm NOT comparing, simply illustrating that across decades of top level football, t e e nagers (and young t e e nagers at that) have not only debuted well, they have gone on to be successful, because someone trusted them enough to give them an opportunity.

Going by what people call youngsters this days those listed are kids lol

[WTF11]

Going by what people call youngsters this days those listed are kids lol

Of the examples given, think about the environment some played in (Best, Lorimer, Law especially), with physicality that simply isn't part of todays game. If they could do it then, why can't the youngsters today?

[ozleeds]

Of the examples given, think about the environment some played in (Best, Lorimer, Law especially), with physicality that simply isn't part of todays game. If they could do it then, why can't the youngsters today?

1/They are not given a chance.
2/They play with foreigners and are not smart enough to learn more lingo than English.
3/ They are scared of the rain much rather play FIFA at home.
4/They are brought up as new-gen softies.
5/They want money for nothing.
6/Trust in the professionals guiding their careers.
7/95% of foreigners in the premier league don't allow much for youngsters.

[Monaco_Totty]

And it's equally possible, probably even more likely, that you can ruin a young players career by stunting their growth be exhibiting a lack of faith in the players ability to perform, manifested by a preference to loan out rather than provide 1st team opportunities.

As examples of players who have proved the wisdom of the old adage, "if they are good enough, they are old enough";

George Best – 17years, 3 months, 23 days
Aaron Lennon – 16 years, 129 days
Peter Lorimer – 15 years 289 days
Dennis Law – 16 years 10 months
Harry Kane - 19 years, 21 days
Eddie Nketiah – 18 years, 9 months, 2 days (for Arsenal)
Joe Gelhardt – 19 years, 5 months, 12 days
Fabian Delph – 17 years, 5 months, 15 days

And no, I'm NOT comparing, simply illustrating that across decades of top level football, t e e nagers (and young t e e nagers at that) have not only debuted well, they have gone on to be successful, because someone trusted them enough to give them an opportunity.

Many on that list suffered with mental health issues including serious alcohol & gambling addiction for starters from young promising career starts.

I know Lennon & Delph through various Mental Health programmes ive attended.

Natural rare, gifted talent/genius often creates psychological problems into how to handle expectation combined with pressures off the pitch particularly when injured & when fit - more so in todays punishing games schedules.

I fully understand your point (to give regular game time) but young footballers are not pre-programmed robots who always perform at 100%- far from it, ask Gnonto & Meslier.

With so many distractions for young players of which some are not socially equipped to handle its not an easy one way learning curve as individuals all handle acclaim & criticism differently with regard to technical attributes & psychological interpretation.

Phillips, Grealish & Kane are current day examples of what the game can throw at you & how you progress.

[ozleeds]

Well Drameh just got promoted to the premier league wonder if we can loan him next season from them as he might need more experience lol

[WTF11]

Many on that list suffered with mental health issues including serious alcohol & gambling addiction for starters from young promising career starts.

I know Lennon & Delph through various Mental Health programmes ive attended.

Natural rare, gifted talent/genius often creates psychological problems into how to handle expectation combined with pressures off the pitch particularly when injured & when fit - more so in todays punishing games schedules.

I fully understand your point (to give regular game time) but young footballers are not pre-programmed robots who always perform at 100%- far from it, ask Gnonto & Meslier.

With so many distractions for young players of which some are not socially equipped to handle its not an easy one way learning curve as individuals all handle acclaim & criticism differently with regard to technical attributes & psychological interpretation.

Phillips, Grealish & Kane are current day examples of what the game can throw at you & how you progress.

I never suggested that with the great talent the players I mentioned had inherited, there wasn't down side. There ALWAYS has been, and will be, but I'd suggest that contemporary players of equal skill and talent to those I mentioned from previous generations are much better supported than those early geniuses were.

All that is irrelevant to the discussion here. It would apply equally to us in the Championship, or the PL and to any other club.

The point of this thread is what (if anything) can we expect from the players out on loan and who will return to a club in utmost turmoil. LUFC have "invested" over £150m in a very short space of time in players of dubious capability/talent, obtaining next to nothing in return for that investment, whilst divesting itself of young players who have previously shown themselves well able to play and do well at 1st team level in the positions now occupied by those recent acquisitions. In so doing LUFC have in all likelihood generated a less than positive viewpoint on behalf of those players to the prospect of staying with LUFC in the Championship. So the worst of all worlds, vast amounts spent on dross, and talented youngsters with a jaundiced view of their parent club, well done Radrizzani and co.

[ozleeds]

Many on that list suffered with mental health issues including serious alcohol & gambling addiction for starters from young promising career starts.

I know Lennon & Delph through various Mental Health programmes ive attended.

Natural rare, gifted talent/genius often creates psychological problems into how to handle expectation combined with pressures off the pitch particularly when injured & when fit - more so in todays punishing games schedules.

I fully understand your point (to give regular game time) but young footballers are not pre-programmed robots who always perform at 100%- far from it, ask Gnonto & Meslier.

With so many distractions for young players of which some are not socially equipped to handle its not an easy one way learning curve as individuals all handle acclaim & criticism differently with regard to technical attributes & psychological interpretation.

Phillips, Grealish & Kane are current day examples of what the game can throw at you & how you progress.

Like I said Tatianna the young gen is entitled soft. In the 70s when I was growing up as a 15-year-old we were forced to leave school as families couldn't survive on our parents' wages and we did adult jobs in factories. It did not hurt us or me for that matter it taught us hard work pays and didn't leave any mental problems. We even played sports for fun even at 16 I played against men and never looked out of place.
This Mental thing is going too far as few are genuine mental cases the rest is just an excuse eg Murderers' first thing that comes out of their mouths is I have mental problems or pedophiles I was abused as I kid. Mental issues are just a cop-out for most people and this is from someone that has had mental scarring due to health problems later in life I even now look at it as saying to myself it's just an excuse so get over it.

[Monaco_Totty]

Like I said Tatianna the young gen is entitled soft. In the 70s when I was growing up as a 15-year-old we were forced to leave school as families couldn't survive on our parents' wages and we did adult jobs in factories. It did not hurt us or me for that matter it taught us hard work pays and didn't leave any mental problems. We even played sports for fun even at 16 I played against men and never looked out of place.
This Mental thing is going too far as few are genuine mental cases the rest is just an excuse eg Murderers' first thing that comes out of their mouths is I have mental problems or pedophiles I was abused as I kid. Mental issues are just a cop-out for most people and this is from someone that has had mental scarring due to health problems later in life I even now look at it as saying to myself it's just an excuse so get over it.

Mental health as in - its not a destination, but a process. Its about how you drive, not where you're going when your young, Oz mate.
As you'll know there's alot to learn about driving a train to its final destination when your learning & laters on as well but you aint got 24/7 public eyes watching your every move on/off the pitch slagging you off.

I'd suspect you've inherited your parents work ethic & likewise myself but young players are looked after well by clubs, many from the age of 11& later paid handsomely but as Arsenal found out this season that the well paid young ones have lots to learn at the sharpe end of PL to become consistent confirmed performers of merit within squads today & know doubt in yesterday year too.

I'm pretty sure Leeds youngsters will provide an exciting platform if we drop to show their stuff as they've had an opportunity to discover what football work ethic is & what is required.

[ozleeds]

Mental health as in - its not a destination, but a process. Its about how you drive, not where you're going when your young, Oz mate.
As you'll know there's alot to learn about driving a train to its final destination when your learning & laters on as well but you aint got 24/7 public eyes watching your every move on/off the pitch slagging you off.

I'd suspect you've inherited your parents work ethic & likewise myself but young players are looked after well by clubs, many from the age of 11& later paid handsomely but as Arsenal found out this season that the well paid young ones have lots to learn at the sharpe end of PL to become consistent confirmed performers of merit within squads today & know doubt in yesterday year too.

I'm pretty sure Leeds youngsters will provide an exciting platform if we drop to show their stuff as they've had an opportunity to discover what football work ethic is & what is required.

Yes well paid alright more like handed it to them that's what turns them into gamblers womanizers alcoholics so on. If they had to work hard for money they would not be so reckless with it. For crying out loud they are even getting their meals cooked 3 times a day talking about softies and entitled.
Do rich spoiled brats come to mind?