This Bottle Scheme.

[The AuldYin]

Am I missing something? A crate of Coke is let's say £8 at Bookers, the Scots government proposes to add 20p on to each can making the cost £12.80 North of the border. What's to stop someone going over the border buying a slab of Coke at £8 and returning the empties North of the border and getting £4.80 for the empties? Or a retailer filling vans South of the border and charging his customers the extra 20p regardless?

[BCram]

Absolutely. This has been a mad scheme right from day one. Of course it should be a UK wide scheme. SNP were told that they would need to consider this very problem. They wanted to be first and prove that they could do it faster than UK. Scots Tories made exactly the same mistake when they volunteered to apply the poll tax in Scotland.

[The AuldYin]

Absolutely. This has been a mad scheme right from day one. Of course it should be a UK wide scheme. SNP were told that they would need to consider this very problem. They wanted to be first and prove that they could do it faster than UK. Scots Tories made exactly the same mistake when they volunteered to apply the poll tax in Scotland.

35 years? That's a long way back to find a comparison.

[Returnofrros]

More madness in Scotland I'm afraid.

Lorna slater makes the Asian supremacist look talented.

[jdfc]

You’d think companies would be making a lot of noise about it, we drink bottled water, you get 24 bottles for £4, under this scheme it will be £8.40, who’s going to pay that

[The AuldYin]

You’d think companies would be making a lot of noise about it, we drink bottled water, you get 24 bottles for £4, under this scheme it will be £8.40, who’s going to pay that

I think they've been warned about it's feasibility by just about everyone from politicians to experts in the trade but for some reason they refuse to listen. I don't think even Useless is fully behind it but desperately needs the Greens.

[islaydarkblue]

I think they've been warned about it's feasibility by just about everyone from politicians to experts in the trade but for some reason they refuse to listen. I don't think even Useless is fully behind it but desperately needs the Greens.

I think that drinks companies have to put special labels on the cans and bottles sold in Scotland to stop cross border abuse of the system.
The Greens are hell bent on introducing this scheme instead of waiting until 2025 for a U.K. wide scheme to be introduced because a company has already been set up and spent over £2 million doing some preparatory work for this scheme before the dozy MSPs voted in favour of it.
There was an article about this company in the Sunday Times business section earlier this year.
Their is no chance of Lorna Slater telling us about this company and how much will have to be written off if the Return Bottle Scheme I Scotland gets binned.

[The AuldYin]

I think that drinks companies have to put special labels on the cans and bottles sold in Scotland to stop cross border abuse of the system.
The Greens are hell bent on introducing this scheme instead of waiting until 2025 for a U.K. wide scheme to be introduced because a company has already been set up and spent over £2 million doing some preparatory work for this scheme before the dozy MSPs voted in favour of it.
There was an article about this company in the Sunday Times business section earlier this year.
Their is no chance of Lorna Slater telling us about this company and how much will have to be written off if the Return Bottle Scheme I Scotland gets binned.

From Zero waste Scotland site.

"The Regulations do not require you to change your labelling. There is no specific requirement for you to add new labelling or bar codes to drink containers (scheme articles) sold in Scotland. You may decide that changing your labelling will help minimise fraud and improve the return of containers. This is something you can do if you choose to"

Even if they did force suppliers to change the barcodes for products to be sold in Scotland do they think the local corner shop has time to scan every returned item and hand oot 20p's?

[Deeranged]

From Zero waste Scotland site.

"The Regulations do not require you to change your labelling. There is no specific requirement for you to add new labelling or bar codes to drink containers (scheme articles) sold in Scotland. You may decide that changing your labelling will help minimise fraud and improve the return of containers. This is something you can do if you choose to"

Even if they did force suppliers to change the barcodes for products to be sold in Scotland do they think the local corner shop has time to scan every returned item and hand oot 20p's?

You don't take them back to the shop. They go back to a kind of reverse vending machine, you put them in that and it gives you credit for them somehow or other. I heard that plastic bottles would have to still have labels on and cans can't be crushed or dented to get the money back. It's just another form of tax because nobody's going to be ****ed annoyed with this tin pot glorified recycling scheme.

[BCram]

I think that drinks companies have to put special labels on the cans and bottles sold in Scotland to stop cross border abuse of the system.
The Greens are hell bent on introducing this scheme instead of waiting until 2025 for a U.K. wide scheme to be introduced because a company has already been set up and spent over £2 million doing some preparatory work for this scheme before the dozy MSPs voted in favour of it.
There was an article about this company in the Sunday Times business section earlier this year.
Their is no chance of Lorna Slater telling us about this company and how much will have to be written off if the Return Bottle Scheme I Scotland gets binned.

I think that the use of private companies to deliver government policies is the root cause of failed initiatives. Instead of getting clever civil servant to draw up the scheme based on meaningful and informed comment from the bits of society that will be impacted by any new legislation they privatise the whole process. SUSTRANS is another example of this type of thinking. You have no hope of stopping any wrong headed idea because the government just keeps throwing money at the company tasked with delivering a defined goal. Hopefully the company will be cancelled. Keeping it going until the UK scheme is agreed will be a complete waste of money imo.