Cash Turnstile in Dens Park

[grantzer]

I assume that is the same ticketing partner that was in place when we played our League Cup tie against ICT on Sunday 30th July 2023 which PATG for the ICT supporters sitting in the Bob Shankly Stand while it was all ticket for Dundee supporters sitting in the Bobby Cox Stand. Greg Fenton should be explaining why the management of Dundee Football Club showed favouritism to the ICT supporters by having PATG. It cannot be because of their ticketing partner but more likely another lame excuse by the management of Dundee Football Club for not having PATG for Dundee supporters.
There are only about three DFC Ltd board of directors meetings per annum including one when the annual accounts are signed off as correct before the are submitted to Companies House for publication in their website.
If Nelms calls a board meeting via a telephone call he needs to have sufficient directors present to have a quorum. You should know this.

The ticketing partner will dictate the rules,I suspect exemptions can be made in case of technical issues,or when the away support is likely to be around 50.I believe cup games are not part of the agreement.

The current dfc board must already have enough for a quorum,otherwise they couldn't have any board meetings, so any d4l reps would be surplus to that requirement,and so can obviously be excluded from meetings because the quorum has been reached without them.

You should know this

[Deeranged]

The ticketing partner will dictate the rules,I suspect exemptions can be made in case of technical issues,or when the away support is likely to be around 50.I believe cup games are not part of the agreement.

The current dfc board must already have enough for a quorum,otherwise they couldn't have any board meetings, so any d4l reps would be surplus to that requirement,and so can obviously be excluded from meetings because the quorum has been reached without them.

You should know this

They don't have board meetings, that would suggest a democratic process of some kind where the person at the top can be reigned in, or even removed, if they start to look like they're going a bit off track. Don't think of the running of Dundee FC as similar to the way any other club is run, it's a dictatorship where one man calls the shots and if anyone dares to criticise they're gone.

Lack of a quorum doesn't stop a meeting taking place, any member of a board can be excluded from any meeting just by not being invited. If the rules require that a quorum is present it would typically be to to rubber stamp major financial / capital decisions. You can guarantee that in the case of Dundee FC any such decision would have been taken in advance and sufficient agreement made that the two D4L members, should they vote against, would be outvoted.

[grantzer]

They don't have board meetings, that would suggest a democratic process of some kind where the person at the top can be reigned in, or even removed, if they start to look like they're going a bit off track. Don't think of the running of Dundee FC as similar to the way any other club is run, it's a dictatorship where one man calls the shots and if anyone dares to criticise they're gone.

Lack of a quorum doesn't stop a meeting taking place, any member of a board can be excluded from any meeting just by not being invited. If the rules require that a quorum is present it would typically be to to rubber stamp major financial / capital decisions. You can guarantee that in the case of Dundee FC any such decision would have been taken in advance and sufficient agreement made that the two D4L members, should they vote against, would be outvoted.

Outvoted,then removed ASAP I suspect. Its probably the biggest puzzler as to why nelms doesn't accept whoever d4l propose for the board.
They would be powerless to stop anything nelms wants,and anything the fans complain about,he has two d4l board members to point at,and blame.

That probably still works even if they know nothing about any decisions because they had zero knowledge of any board meetings/phone calls that count as board meetings/rubber stamping nelms opinions

[Returnofrros]

Why anyone thinks nelms and his inner circle are good for DFC is beyond me

[noahrab]

Why anyone thinks nelms and his inner circle are good for DFC is beyond me

Kept the doors open and paid the bills longer than recent owners.

[islaydarkblue]

The ticketing partner will dictate the rules,I suspect exemptions can be made in case of technical issues,or when the away support is likely to be around 50.I believe cup games are not part of the agreement.

The current dfc board must already have enough for a quorum,otherwise they couldn't have any board meetings, so any d4l reps would be surplus to that requirement,and so can obviously be excluded from meetings because the quorum has been reached without them.

You should know this

I already know that the total number of directors has nothing to do with the number of directors required to be present at a board of directors meeting to make it quorate.
Dee4life had 5 directors and according to their rules they required a minimum of 3 directors present at a board of directors meeting to have have a quorum
For your information.
Last season there were over 600 Partick Thistle supporters at the first home league game of the 2022-23 Championship League season and over 1,100 Arbroath supporters at the next home game of the 2022-23 Championship League season. Both sets of supporters had PATG in the Bob Shankly Stand which is somewhat more that the away support likely to be around 50.

[islaydarkblue]

Kept the doors open and paid the bills longer than recent owners.

I assume that you are aware that Sandeman Properties Limited, owners of Dens Park listed in their annual accounts for the year ending 31st July 2022 that they had trade debtors of £65,460.
This is the first time that they have ever had trade debtors listed in their annual accounts since they purchased the title deeds for Dens Park from Lloyds Banking Group in 2009.

[noahrab]

I assume that you are aware that Sandeman Properties Limited, owners of Dens Park listed in their annual accounts for the year ending 31st July 2022 that they had trade debtors of £65,460.
This is the first time that they have ever had trade debtors listed in their annual accounts since they purchased the title deeds for Dens Park from Lloyds Banking Group in 2009.

A whole 13yrs.

Thanks for making my point.

[islaydarkblue]

Outvoted,then removed ASAP I suspect. Its probably the biggest puzzler as to why nelms doesn't accept whoever d4l propose for the board.
They would be powerless to stop anything nelms wants,and anything the fans complain about,he has two d4l board members to point at,and blame.

That probably still works even if they know nothing about any decisions because they had zero knowledge of any board meetings/phone calls that count as board meetings/rubber stamping nelms opinions

You should ask Nelms that question as you seem to be sticking up for him. At the same time you an ask him why the Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited Directors borrowed money from the Isle of Man based financial company SohoGreen with the loan secured against the 29.7 acres site of the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown grounds which is also known as Camoy Nou.
The standard securities are listed in the Charges section of the Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited page on the Companies House website.
Most companies obtain planning permission for their site and then borrow money using their site as collateral not the other way round.

[islaydarkblue]

A whole 13yrs.

Thanks for making my point.

You have missed my point.
Why was the rent for Dens Park not paid in full before 31st July 2022.. It is unlikely to have been a cash flow problem as the Club’s bank account would be full of the season ticket money so there has to be another reason.