O/T:- Media Bias

[Magpies1959]

BFP your last sentence is just a lie.

[Newish Pie]

Newish Pie the figures are out there for the panelists involved in Question Time in the lead up to Brexit, and they are overwhelmingly in favour of Remainers. Anyway it is old news, and the shame is that the defeated side, didn't get behind the result of the democratic decision, to make for a much smoother transition to life outside the EU.

Well, I've not seen these figures. A link to a credible source would be interesting. Either way, this is no comparison with so-called GB so-called News having Tory MPs interview a Tory minister on a news or current affairs show.

Others have made good comments about how politicians tended to favour remain on the whole - all the Lib Dems, most of Labour, a sizeable minority of the Conservatives. I just remember Farridge being on TV non-stop for what felt like years, being allowed to talk absolute nonsense with little or no meaningful challenge.

I'm interested in this Leaver tendency to blame Remainers for how Brexit's going. Or the expectation that it's somehow up to Remainers to fix it or make it work. We voted for it, you do it. Even though you said it couldn't be done and advised in the strongest possible terms against it.

No. Your lot broke it, they're responsible for fixing it. I mean, after all that energy campaigning and going on and on, there was presumably some form of plan about how Brexit would work in practice. About how to square all the circles, the status of Northern Ireland, the future trading relationship, disentangling decades of intertwined legislation and common policies standards. Plus freedom of movement, migration, tourism. And research. In short, all those things everyone warned about.

Any plans? Any ideas? Nope, not a scooby. Just attempts to divert blame for not fixing the broken things on the people who told them not to break it in the first place. Or blaming the gym for not letting us continue to use their facilities after we cancelled our membership. And then whining that "this isn't my Brexit". Utter abdication and dereliction of duty.

[i961pie]

Yes. I’m not sure what universe 1959 lives in sometimes, not sure it’s the real one though.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nigel-fara...155615416.html

Not bad for a man who’s never won a UK election, despite having 7 goes at it. He was a MEP you say?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17...-time-graphic/

The BBC consistently put leave MEPs on Question Time far more than remain ones.

During the Brexit campaign question time had 132 guests only 32 of them were for leaving quite often the panel was 4/5 to 1 in favour of remain.

[Magpies1959]

Newish Pie nobody is asking Remainers to 'fix', in your words Brexit, just don't keep throwing obstacles in the way at every turn to make the divorce unnecessarily difficult. It is akin to Just Stop Oil protestors, sitting in the road preventing the traffic from flowing smoothly. It has been made public that civil servants were actually crying when they heard the Brexit result, which tells you an awful lot about these people whose job it is to work for the country and it's democracy.

[Newish Pie]

Newish Pie nobody is asking Remainers to 'fix', in your words Brexit, just don't keep throwing obstacles in the way at every turn to make the divorce unnecessarily difficult. It is akin to Just Stop Oil protestors, sitting in the road preventing the traffic from flowing smoothly. It has been made public that civil servants were actually crying when they heard the Brexit result, which tells you an awful lot about these people whose job it is to work for the country and it's democracy.

It tells you that they knew it was going to be a professional, personal, and national disaster. And because they knew how much work it would be, and little planning had actually been done.

Do you have any examples of these "obstacles" placed by "Remainers". Not quite sure what you mean, especially as (post May), the Leavers have been in charge. Oven Ready Brexit! Ahem.

If the result had gone 48-52 the other way, there's not a chance that the Leave camp would have said "oh, well, that's democracy, we're now going to put all our energies into making remaining in the EU work better. We'll never mention it again, and we certainly won't be difficult or awkward."

When Farridge thought he'd lose, he was already talking up fighting on and the next campaign and muttering darkly about the deep state and votes marked in pencil being erased and how everyone should vote with a Biro, not a pencil.

[sinophile]

And, democracy? Europeans living in the UK were denied a vote. Maybe fair enough, but British nationals living in Europe were also denied a vote. One or the other would have been reasonable, not both. It is fair to assume both groups would have voted remain, which would have swung the vote the other way.

[keldsyke]

And, democracy? Europeans living in the UK were denied a vote. Maybe fair enough, but British nationals living in Europe were also denied a vote. One or the other would have been reasonable, not both. It is fair to assume both groups would have voted remain, which would have swung the vote the other way.

That’s incorrect I was living and working in Germany at the time and I had a vote… and if you want to know I’d set my mind to vote remain but voted leave… if you wants know the reasons why I’ll tell you later (short on time) but it’s probably not a reason you would expect!

[sinophile]

Apologies, you are correct. It wasn't all Britons living abroad, it was those who had lived abroad for less than 15 years that were eligible. I don't know the numbers, but a significant number were disenfranchised.

[Magpies1959]

Poor old civil servants having to do some hard work , must have been crapping themselves. You can't get them back to work now after covid.

[Magpies1959]

I am sure the Leave electorate would have accepted the vote and got back to work as before, not a lot else they could do even if they were so inclined.