Measles

[WTF11]

Ok, nothing at all to do with football, LUFC or not, and from what has been posted previously this might create "waves" but frankly I don't give a sh1t........

Measles was regarded as almost eradicated not so long ago. It KILLED over 100,000 last year around the world, the majority in the western world, the majority those who weren't inoculated via the MMR vaccine. Thankyou Dr.Wakefield, fostering your totally unfounded (and disproven) claims that the MMR vaccine was liken to autism, you have helped KILL young people who, has they been vaccinated, would be living healthy, happy lives. For shame.

[CalverleyBoy]

Spot on

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Ok, nothing at all to do with football, LUFC or not, and from what has been posted previously this might create "waves" but frankly I don't give a sh1t........

Measles was regarded as almost eradicated not so long ago. It KILLED over 100,000 last year around the world, the majority in the western world, the majority those who weren't inoculated via the MMR vaccine. Thankyou Dr.Wakefield, fostering your totally unfounded (and disproven) claims that the MMR vaccine was liken to autism, you have helped KILL young people who, has they been vaccinated, would be living healthy, happy lives. For shame.

Do you do part time presenting on GB news?

[spaldy]

You have simplified a very complex topic. You may wish to research myocarditis in young people. I understand your point on the MMR vaccine but the same companies that pushed the MNRA on young people that has ruined 10’s of thousands young peoples live with ruined hearts are the same people that make the MMR vaccine

[spaldy]

Other topics worth reasearching would be tobacco company research studies in the 40’s and 50’s as well as Thalidimide studies in the 50s and 60’s

[spaldy]

Bayer in WW2 is another interesting one

[WTF11]

You have simplified a very complex topic. You may wish to research myocarditis in young people. I understand your point on the MMR vaccine but the same companies that pushed the MNRA on young people that has ruined 10’s of thousands young peoples live with ruined hearts are the same people that make the MMR vaccine

Conflating several related but separate issues (the relationship being the nature of the organisations who have, for the ever-present reasons of revenue generation, been economical with the exactitude, the separation being what the various products of the pharma world have been used for), over-complicates what I was trying to say. My point regarding MMR vaccination wasn't about the efficacy of the vaccine, although I'd agree that it's a related point, nor the research effort employed over the years prior to its wide-spread introduction, it was much more simple than that.

As a direct result of mis-information spread by a supposedly respectable medical professional, who is largely responsible for the current measles epidemic amongst late-t e e n/early twenties young men and women, without question those same young people are being killed and disabled by an entirely preventable disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Playing on the understandable fears/concerns of parents who are being asked to permit their child/children to be vaccinated is reprehensible, but was (apparently) felt to be something worth doing in order to generate his own "revenue stream".

He continues his anti-vaccine campaign, to the continued detriment of people who are being invited to take well proven, SAFE vaccines.

On the more complex, general picture you paint;

Are all vaccines safe? No. Do vaccines have side effects even when considered safe? Yes, in some circumstances (a neighbour/friend of mine was totally incapacitated for over two years, and continues to be severely limited in his mobility by the flu vaccination he had in 2017).

Do they, generally and acknowledging the risks, save lives and reduce the spread of infectious diseases, most definitely YES.

Are pharma companies saintly organisations in it for the benefit of humankind? Err, not really, but their efforts can and do result in huge benefits, as is likely if the malaria vaccine program is successful. On balance I would rather they existed, and did what they do, despite the flaws and inadequacies, (which if they put the effort in could be reduced if not eradicated by more effective government/regulatory body controls and processes) than not to exist and still be fighting out and out killers like smallpox etc.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Conflating several related but separate issues (the relationship being the nature of the organisations who have, for the ever-present reasons of revenue generation, been economical with the exactitude, the separation being what the various products of the pharma world have been used for), over-complicates what I was trying to say. My point regarding MMR vaccination wasn't about the efficacy of the vaccine, although I'd agree that it's a related point, nor the research effort employed over the years prior to its wide-spread introduction, it was much more simple than that.

As a direct result of mis-information spread by a supposedly respectable medical professional, who is largely responsible for the current measles epidemic amongst late-t e e n/early twenties young men and women, without question those same young people are being killed and disabled by an entirely preventable disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Playing on the understandable fears/concerns of parents who are being asked to permit their child/children to be vaccinated is reprehensible, but was (apparently) felt to be something worth doing in order to generate his own "revenue stream".

He continues his anti-vaccine campaign, to the continued detriment of people who are being invited to take well proven, SAFE vaccines.

On the more complex, general picture you paint;

Are all vaccines safe? No. Do vaccines have side effects even when considered safe? Yes, in some circumstances (a neighbour/friend of mine was totally incapacitated for over two years, and continues to be severely limited in his mobility by the flu vaccination he had in 2017).

Do they, generally and acknowledging the risks, save lives and reduce the spread of infectious diseases, most definitely YES.

Are pharma companies saintly organisations in it for the benefit of humankind? Err, not really, but their efforts can and do result in huge benefits, as is likely if the malaria vaccine program is successful. On balance I would rather they existed, and did what they do, despite the flaws and inadequacies, (which if they put the effort in could be reduced if not eradicated by more effective government/regulatory body controls and processes) than not to exist and still be fighting out and out killers like smallpox etc.

Wikipedia that well know expert medical journal

[WTF11]

Bayer in WW2 is another interesting one

Have you ever owned/driven a car made by Volkswagen, or BMW? Have you ever used video tape/CDs from BASF? What about Mitsubishi? We could probably all go back in history and find a connection with a company or group of companies that in modern day life we would find reprehensible. My point on this thread is about the (relatively speaking) here and now, not much I or anyone else can do about matters spanning the kind of timescale you refer to.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Have you ever owned/driven a car made by Volkswagen, or BMW? Have you ever used video tape/CDs from BASF? What about Mitsubishi? We could probably all go back in history and find a connection with a company or group of companies that in modern day life we would find reprehensible. My point on this thread is about the (relatively speaking) here and now, not much I or anyone else can do about matters spanning the kind of timescale you refer to.

You had a point? …..