Joey Barton

[SithHappens]

Seems like he has completely lost the plot in the past few days with his comments about female pundits or commentators. Doesn't seem to want to let it go by having further digs at them today.

[Andy_Faber]

Seems like he has completely lost the plot in the past few days with his comments about female pundits or commentators. Doesn't seem to want to let it go by having further digs at them today.

He’s a loose cannon, but everyone’s entitled to opinions, and I recall a number of (considered but) negative opinions on this forum about female football and female involvement in male football. For my part my opinion varies from the negative (Alex Scott) to the positive (Rebecca Welch) and maybe Joey has a range of opinions he just hasn’t ranted on about yet

[SithHappens]

He’s a loose cannon, but everyone’s entitled to opinions, and I recall a number of (considered but) negative opinions on this forum about female football and female involvement in male football. For my part my opinion varies from the negative (Alex Scott) to the positive (Rebecca Welch) and maybe Joey has a range of opinions he just hasn’t ranted on about yet

Surely when he rants about giving opinions on knitting it goes beyond having opinion.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely when he rants about giving opinions on knitting it goes beyond having opinion.

Not excusing the bloke as being a loose cannon, but he has provoked debate - regrettably, in the mainstream, only about the man himself. Look deeper and his comments have reignited a long-standing issue. Also regrettably the extremists at either end make it difficult to have/get across a nuanced view. What’s your honest view?

[SithHappens]

My honest view is that many of the female pundits are less tribal and biased than a lot of those from the mens game. Its quite refreshing. I think the likes of shearer have improved but it's not that long ago that motd you had lawrenson and shearer and you'd think only 2 teams mattered, same as sky on Saturday afternoons, le tissier, Thompson etc it was so biased it got boring.

I don't get the argument about not having played the game either, plenty of excellent people haven't, Jeff Stelling is one, as far as I know he didn't but he was what was good about sky on Saturdays.

Its worked for Barton though because hell get more listeners now for his podcast. It's a shame he has to court publicity at the cost to others, which makes him an even worse human being.

[Andy_Faber]

My honest view is that many of the female pundits are less tribal and biased than a lot of those from the mens game. Its quite refreshing. I think the likes of shearer have improved but it's not that long ago that motd you had lawrenson and shearer and you'd think only 2 teams mattered, same as sky on Saturday afternoons, le tissier, Thompson etc it was so biased it got boring.

I don't get the argument about not having played the game either, plenty of excellent people haven't, Jeff Stelling is one, as far as I know he didn't but he was what was good about sky on Saturdays.

Its worked for Barton though because hell get more listeners now for his podcast. It's a shame he has to court publicity at the cost to others, which makes him an even worse human being.

Fair go. I’m writing a book (groans from all other forum members) one of the threads of which involves sports commentators/anchors, always interested in opinions about them

For what it’s worth I always considered the Sky saturday afternoon programme to be a comedy effort as much as anything

[ramAnag]

As far as I know some of the more illustrious male football commentators - Wolstenholme, Coleman, Davies, Motson etc - had no claim to have been decent footballers but were, rightly or wrongly, held in high esteem as commentators/pundits.
My daughter has a ST at PP. She may never have put in a great defensive header or been the victim of a ligament busting tackle...but she can talk as knowledgeably as anyone on here about Derby’s promotion prospects.
One thing that irritates me slightly is the pretence that women’s football is, or will ever be, on the same level as the men’s game. It isn’t and never will be imo, and that goes for cricket, rugby, athletics, tennis, golf, swimming etc too. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth watching or that women can’t display expertise, which is at least the equal of Joey Barton’s, when discussing the men’s game.

[Andy_Faber]

As far as I know some of the more illustrious male football commentators - Wolstenholme, Coleman, Davies, Motson etc - had no claim to have been decent footballers but were, rightly or wrongly, held in high esteem as commentators/pundits.
My daughter has a ST at PP. She may never have put in a great defensive header or been the victim of a ligament busting tackle...but she can talk as knowledgeably as anyone on here about Derby’s promotion prospects.
One thing that irritates me slightly is the pretence that women’s football is, or will ever be, on the same level as the men’s game. It isn’t and never will be imo, and that goes for cricket, rugby, athletics, tennis, golf, swimming etc too. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth watching or that women can’t display expertise, which is at least the equal of Joey Barton’s, when discussing the men’s game.

Enlightening opinion from you there rA, which I think you've shared a bit before. Not sure Barton's outbursts went as far as invalidating womens' sports per se, and if so as an advocate for womens' sport I'd be 100% opposed, albeit anyone who argues for pay parity at the elite level needs a lesson in the way pro sport is funded (funds itself)

His point though was (mainly) about commentators, and knowing that you don't approve of quotas (your words, the less benevolent would call it 'box ticking') you may agree that there are some commentators in situ for reasons other than ability so would have some sympathy with his opinion, even if not his delivery.

[MadAmster]

One would hope that they can better Barton...

[ramAnag]

One would hope that they can better Barton...

Tbf he was a bloody good footballer, MA...should have stuck to it because, beyond that, I suspect we’re in complete agreement.