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Thread: Plausible Deniability

  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeranged View Post
    Lot of years ago I worked with a guy who bought a flat above an Indian restaurant and complained to the council about the smell of curry permeating his flat - you have to wonder about some people.
    There's a lot of examples the same. I met a guy once who bought a house in a site built within a new golf course development. Complained incessantly about golf balls landing in his garden!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deeranged View Post
    Staying at Dens would continue decades of tradition but I've never banged the 'we must stay at Dens' drum. If moving to a new stadium is to benefit the football club I just want to know how, if it doesn't I'd question why the move would be considered.

    My view is that in these days of remote training grounds and club offices all a club really needs is somewhere to go to play football matches i.e. a pitch and facilities to house supporters safely. it's not really to the club's benefit to have houses, a crematorium and retail outlets on the same site, the club won't benefit from these things. Upgrading Dens Park, which is fairly centrally located near the city centre with all the facilities needed by the average football fan nearby, would provide this facility.

    The proposed new dream stadium would also provide the somewhere to play matches thing but would be more remote, would be less accessible by public transport, would be miles from the city centre and wouldn't provide all the facilities the average football fan needs nearby. In other words it would certainly suit the football side but would be less suitable for us fans. It would also lack the traditional feel of Dens and might well dilute the feel of the club. There's no guarantee of any atmosphere at games - most new stadia, unless huge, are pretty sterile in my experience.

    As regards the experiences of those living near Dens. I'm pretty sure Dens and Tannadice will have been there before those people took up residence so they will have moved there with the full knowledge of what might happen in the area on match days. Question is though, how does Dundee FC moving out of Dens stop these things? Tannadice is still there so the OF hoards would still turn up in the area. That problem isn't actually caused by Dundee FC or Dundee United, it's a social issue and a problem contributed to by the failure of authorities to act appropriately.
    Don’t agree with most of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BP33 View Post
    Don’t agree with most of that.
    I am not surprised at that.
    In fact I would have been shocked it you agreed with it given your previous posts on previous topics regarding Nelmsy’s fantasy stadium development at Campy Nou.
    One of the problems that there has been little discussion about is the fact that the City of Dundee is hemmed in between the River Tay and the Sidlaw Hills which gives little opportunity to build a new football stadium out of town and with easy access.

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    Can we get back to the topic in hand here? There's nae new stadium and there will never be a new stadium. Sturgeon now saying the inquiry has her messages, the inquiry says they don't and they were deleted, some ****s telling porkies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AuldYin View Post
    Can we get back to the topic in hand here? There's nae new stadium and there will never be a new stadium. Sturgeon now saying the inquiry has her messages, the inquiry says they don't and they were deleted, some ****s telling porkies.
    I reckon the truth's a bit of a stranger to Sturgeon

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    Sturgeon is a proven liar.

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    I think the way the politicians in Scotland have behaved is very interesting. Jason Leitch is no dummy and the fact that he deleted his WhatsApp messages says a lot about the difference between Holyrood and Westminster. Think Domenic Cumming would have loved to have been deleting his WhatsApp messages. Seems to me that we don't have democracy in Scotland. We have a one party state and the civil servants need to be re educated to act in the best interests of the Scots, not the best interests of the ruling party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    I think the way the politicians in Scotland have behaved is very interesting. Jason Leitch is no dummy and the fact that he deleted his WhatsApp messages says a lot about the difference between Holyrood and Westminster. Think Domenic Cumming would have loved to have been deleting his WhatsApp messages. Seems to me that we don't have democracy in Scotland. We have a one party state and the civil servants need to be re educated to act in the best interests of the Scots, not the best interests of the ruling party.
    Capture the civil service you capture the narrative.

    Look after " public sector " they stay loyal to the party rather than country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Returnofrros View Post
    Capture the civil service you capture the narrative.

    Look after " public sector " they stay loyal to the party rather than country.
    Correct. Them against the electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Returnofrros View Post
    Capture the civil service you capture the narrative.

    Look after " public sector " they stay loyal to the party rather than country.
    If that is the case then it is time to get rid of these civil servants who are supposed to be running the country on our behalf not on the behalf of the elected political party.
    I believe that the civil service in London is full of Remoaners who are still very bitter about the U.K. electorate voting in favour of leaving the EU and they were as unhelpful as possible when Boris Johnston was Prime Minister because Boris backed the Leave campaign.

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