Thoughts and questions for Ogren and Goodwin

[arab1970]

Under Asgar we didn't seem interested in developing players for the first team, strategy seemed to be give them some game time asp so we can punt them to an Premiership academy as soon as possible. I always thought that was a false economy, you get a guy in your first team for a season or two, and he shows up well, you still get all the same add ons and what not you get as you would selling him at 16, difference is they have to pay a here and now transfer too.

It's a lot easier bedding a youngster into a settled and decent team, look at Sheep, looked ok couple of seasons ago in a well organised defence, regressed dramatically thereafter. Not saying he would have gone on to be a superstar, in fact I thought he was on par with Liam Smith, and only reason a lot of the time people harked on about him was because he WASN'T liam Smith, and out the team, but could probably have turned into an average SPL player.

Think Courts leaving messed things up too, he was familair with all these players, Meekison was starting to establish himself under Courts, change of manager just set all that back. Our youngsters have been largely uninspiring unfortunately, maybe not all down to them, Miller-Thompson seems on of the few who actually looks like he can come in and make a mark. Strangely the only time I had any hope in our youngsters was when we played Rangers when COVID savaged our team, I was really impressed with the team that day. What the hell happened to Moore btw? They actually played decent football too, I wondered if it was because their styles fit into a certain manner and being surrounded by like players actually strenghtened them as a unit.

yeah they should have got a draw that day if it wasnt for Scott mcmann handballing it. If your a youngester thats been around the squad the last 4/5 years how many managers have you had? cant help

[Stoke_Arab]

Our academy is much the same as anyone's else's. A lot of work and recourses went into making it an elite tier 1 one.

Where Fat toney and the club failed was getting enough coaches with the skills to get those players to make the leap from Academy to first team football in SCOTLAND

1)
We have the manager, assistant coach and Dave Bowman. Thats not enough to give individual specialist coaching to these kids on the fringe they get left to their own devices too much. and With all due respect whats Dave bowman going to teach you ?

2)
We possibly dont recruit enough of the right kind of Pro's to have those kids realise their potential. who is going to look upto Tony Watt for example? He is more likely to blame you on the pitch than talk you thou games

The academy is fundamental to a model of financial sustainability and that's why it's so important.
We 100% need to be able to produce players who are as you rightly say Scottish Football ready, but players who can command decent sell on fees. On average, for the investment it takes up we haven't been doing that.
If we see exciting graduates in the first 11 for just a short time we have to accept that's part of being a selling club.

Number 2 priority would be to find a coach, a proper coach who has demonstrated he can get a team playing in a consistent style that delivers results over a period of time.

Then priority 3 is to hire a recruitment person to work with that coach to identify players that will fit into that style.

Then carry out a full review of every single employee to assess who is adding value to the Club through their work and who isn't so we can make the necessary changes.

Someone mentioned the Fed as an investor, I doubt the Fed and the Foundation have enough money to become a serious investor at this point but a new owner might do well to invite them to be involved in some capacity.

Agree with what you say about Watt by the way, his gallous weegie attitude is wrong for our club just as it was with Mulgrew. We need dedicated winners in every position on and off the pitch. Obviously I could be wrong as I'm not around the club but it's a feeling I have based on interviews, blogs, body language, work rate, influence in games, and seen him shouting at young players more than once. Asghar wasn't concerned with doing the right personal diligence behaviour/background when signing players, successful clubs try to get that right with background checking etc etc.

Certainly a local owner might be preferred by most fans but that's also likely to be someone who's never had to address points 1/2/3 above, whereas a Football club investor would have valuable experience in those areas.

Meantime to get anywhere forwards it's V1TAL that we get promoted. The next few games are so crucial to our future.

[Sutherland Arab]

I agree with your comments about the B&B lot.

We are all desperate to see the back of Ogren. And I suppose the reality is that he will sell to the highest bidder.

Personally, I would rather see our club in the hands of group of known United fans with some business acumen and drive to promote the interests of DUFC. I'm not for being a feeder club for any other club.

Spot on
Not keen on us being anyone's side/vanity project. Even investors coming in and splashing the cash doesn't interest me anymore.
I want people running the club who care, make us be far more self sustainable and away from the basket case it's become.
Club needs its soul back.

[Arabs4ever]

Can someone confirm/deny that the lads in the Academy at present are acting like they have made it as professional footballers? That needs sorting right now, if true.

I think having experienced players, playing in the reserves would help the younger ones. Walter Smith I believe played a vast amount of reserve games and helped bring on players around that time.

[Stoke_Arab]

Spot on
Not keen on us being anyone's side/vanity project. Even investors coming in and splashing the cash doesn't interest me anymore.
I want people running the club who care, make us be far more self sustainable and away from the basket case it's become.
Club needs its soul back.

If what you mean is local investors how many have the money and motivation to buy Ogren out? How much do you think he would accept to exit?

[TangerineDream]

One thing in all of this ..

I am glad we have a strong, sensible and well run Foundation.

[Sutherland Arab]

If what you mean is local investors how many have the money and motivation to buy Ogren out? How much do you think he would accept to exit?

Local/fan ownership yes, I feel it's now time for a new way forward.
Up to Ogren how much he would take to walk away, but no chance he is getting anything like the full debt to him repaid.
If he digs his heels in not selling or investing and with the way things are going the club will have to downsize and the valuation gets less.
Administration and he gets f*ck all so things need to get moving.

[TerryTheTerror]

The only person that could put the club into administration is Ogren. Given there would mean him losing pretty much all of his investment I'd say that's a wee bit unlikely.

[NOSCOTCAPS]

Would MO/JG consider getting Stevie Campbell back to get our youth development back to where it was; a used to be an exemplar model to all of Scottish Football? I don’t know what caused the split, there are obviously some things that can’t be forgiven, but SC seemed to be very good at his job and will unearth the diamonds that this club have been famous for in the past.

[JamesMcClean]

Would MO/JG consider getting Stevie Campbell back to get our youth development back to where it was; a used to be an exemplar model to all of Scottish Football? I don’t know what caused the split, there are obviously some things that can’t be forgiven, but SC seemed to be very good at his job and will unearth the diamonds that this club have been famous for in the past.

I think the phrase ‘hell freezes over’ applies to this one regretfully.