Questions for Maynard

[The_Don_ORiordan]

The toxicity comes from frustration and disappointment.

We could have been a contender.

But we won’t be because we failed to improve the defence and goalkeeping positions in the close season.

It was clear to most fans (some still argue it’s just the way we play and nothing to do with the players!) that despite conceding so few last season the defending was at times comical. And that circus has continued, only now we are playing far better teams who can actually put away balls into the box.

No matter how we play, we need decent players in all positions to succeed.

[Kent Magpie]

It's not toxicity, it's frustration based on communication from the club. The last communication from the board said that we were pushing for automatic promotion. After the transfer window and new appointment, we find ourselves lower mid table failing to win a team at the bottom of the form table. Toxicity builds when communication is only one way as the fans don't feel heard. If the fans felt heard and communicated with, then the toxicity goes away

No it's toxicity. When it gets personal then it's toxic and it has become personal.

[wiseoldmagpie]

No it's toxicity. When it gets personal then it's toxic and it has become personal.

I agree. I don't doubt that SM is putting in every ounce of effort and focus to find winning ways. It may be beyond him, but to personally insult a guy who was poached into what must have seemed a dream job, when we have all known for months that we have a massively imbalanced squad, seems uncalled for.

[slack_pie]

It's not toxicity, it's frustration based on communication from the club. The last communication from the board said that we were pushing for automatic promotion. After the transfer window and new appointment, we find ourselves lower mid table failing to win a team at the bottom of the form table. Toxicity builds when communication is only one way as the fans don't feel heard. If the fans felt heard and communicated with, then the toxicity goes away

It's 100% toxicity. This thread is full of people laying into Maynard the person, not Maynard the football coach. It's absolutely embarrassing and people should be ashamed.

You can criticize his tactics and results without getting personal.

[SmiffyPie]

It's 100% toxicity. This thread is full of people laying into Maynard the person, not Maynard the football coach. It's absolutely embarrassing and people should be ashamed.

You can criticize his tactics and results without getting personal.

Good post. Most of those spraying vitriol would have a real hissy fit if the tables were turned. For what it's worth I think SM is out of his comfort zone through lack of experience and I don't think he can pull it round now but I can see he is trying all combinations to try and get things to work, it's not his fault he walked into a mess. People want to lay blame, then lay it fairly; the Bros, the recruiting, LW, and SM all have a share of the blame.

[BigFatPie]

Good post. Most of those spraying vitriol would have a real hissy fit if the tables were turned. For what it's worth I think SM is out of his comfort zone through lack of experience and I don't think he can pull it round now but I can see he is trying all combinations to try and get things to work, it's not his fault he walked into a mess. People want to lay blame, then lay it fairly; the Bros, the recruiting, LW, and SM all have a share of the blame.

In what way did he walk into a ‘mess’? The defence could probably have been described as that, but in many ways he came into a situation vastly superior to that which most new Notts managers find.

How was it any more of a mess than what Mike Williamson, Nigel Adkins, Graham Alexander or Steve Cotterill found at their clubs and have still managed to improve their club’s results in a short period of time?

[SmiffyPie]

In what way did he walk into a ‘mess’? The defence could probably have been described as that, but in many ways he came into a situation vastly superior to that which most new Notts managers find.

How was it any more of a mess than what Mike Williamson, Nigel Adkins, Graham Alexander or Steve Cotterill found at their clubs and have still managed to improve their club’s results in a short period of time?

The main criticism of SM seems to be based on the percieved impression that he walked into a team that was firing on all cylinders, the team was spluttering with the tappets knocking.

[SinceSept1959]

No it's toxicity. When it gets personal then it's toxic and it has become personal.

Any criticism is not nice but I'm afraid it is a possibility that any incumbent can expect when taking on such a position . Expectations and demands in the role are very high and particularly relevant at the timing of this appointment.
You must agree that results have not been good enough and in an occupation where a person is judged on results only brave or naive people would accept to drink from the potential poisoned chalice.
Agreed that there is a saying about the pen (or keyboard) being mightier than the sword.
Any fans that have been present at the games and not left immediately after the final whistle , will confirm that there has not been any abuse or toxicity directed at the bench or the players .
If you wish to compare ,there is an example of Scunny fans taking out their frustration on the players and staff after a
heavy 4-0 at Darlington this season.
Not a pleasant watch , I can assure you.

[Kent Magpie]

Any criticism is not nice but I'm afraid it is a possibility that any incumbent can expect when taking on such a position . Expectations and demands in the role are very high and particularly relevant at the timing of this appointment.
You must agree that results have not been good enough and in an occupation where a person is judged on results only brave or naive people would accept to drink from the potential poisoned chalice.
Agreed that there is a saying about the pen (or keyboard) being mightier than the sword.
Any fans that have been present at the games and not left immediately after the final whistle , will confirm that there has not been any abuse or toxicity directed at the bench or the players .
If you wish to compare ,there is an example of Scunny fans taking out their frustration on the players and staff after a
heavy 4-0 at Darlington this season.
Not a pleasant watch , I can assure you.

Several things here: 1. please explain why the original post isn't toxic (question 3 in particular)
2. Agreed results have not been good enough, but that does not give permission to abuse someone personally.
3. Why do we need to compare our behaviour with that of others? Both can be wrong. I was at Crawley, there absolutely was abuse directed at Cameron and SM, in particular. I had people on both sides of and behind me at the final whistle leaning over the barriers telling them to 'F*** off out of our club'. Some idiot wanted to fight anybody who thought Nemane should be on the field, and was happily abusing all and sundry throughout the second half. It was the most toxic that I have felt the atmosphere to be for a long time (and that was the word I used to describe the evening to my partner).

[matt_magpie]

I agree. I don't doubt that SM is putting in every ounce of effort and focus to find winning ways. It may be beyond him, but to personally insult a guy who was poached into what must have seemed a dream job, when we have all known for months that we have a massively imbalanced squad, seems uncalled for.

I totally agree but unfortunately it’s where society is now and has been ramped up by social media. Poch yesterday was receiving chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing”.
I’d keep SM till the end of the season, he has probably made mistakes and it was never going to be easy for anyone to come in after LW either.
It’s just the mindless stupid ones I can’t get over, saying he was stupid putting 2 keepers on the bench when anyone with half a brain knew there would be a genuine reason for it.