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    I will be there on Monday and will not leave early as I've never left early. However I understand the reasoning behind those who choose to vote with their feet and coupled with the season being over, plus it's a Bank Holiday so people may decide to do other things. The frustration, anger and resentment building are evident but I believe it's also stems from the first defeat at Sutton away. It was the reality check that would tell us we would have problems and weaknesses this season and they were unmasked during LW time in other games such as Colchester, Shrewsbury, Walsall, Harrogate, Wimbledon and Tranmere.

    But under LW it came off the back of the best season ever for me despite the level and we had a manager who had credit in the bank and who the players seemed to love and believe in plus the momentum. We had that Moniz if they score three we will score four about us which kept entertainment levels high because we knew that despite our failings and vulnerabilities we had enough creativity and firepower to overcome it but not all of the time. We let FGR score three at Meadow Lane but still beat them by scoring four. Look where they are in the table. We had good results against the likes of Swindon, Bradford, Morecambe, Doncaster, Salford and all the other games we won that have in the fullness of time saved us from trouble.

    Stuart Maynard's appointment was supposed to give hope to all those football coaches out there from the volunteer heroes at grassroots level all the way up to part time and paid semi professional level that making the step up the level wherever you are on your coaching journey is possible. That was supposed to be the story.

    The results have proven that since SM's been here it's is not working and something is missing and I think this may have been mentioned in commentary about spirit or purpose. For me it is the LW factor and spirit. That enthusiatic, energy and high intensity part of his personality is the missing piece of the jigsaw that made the way we play have the high risk high reward element. Yes people would have laughed at the two goals we conceded yesterday but had we scored two more and won as may have been the case under LW it's more palpable.

    A team is afterall reflective of the managers personality. We still play the same under both LW and SM in terms of a possession based game looking for gaps and retaining the ball, but under SM it feels more conservative and leans more towards Ardleyball such as respecting the point and playing to not lose. The stats may say otherwise but that is the feeling of watching the games.

    Perhaps we should just try and outscore the opposition from now until the end of the season much like the JOB Grimsby game which the 5-5 will go down in history. It seems it's the only way we can win more games than we lose because we know there will be indivdual errors in key moments by someone different each game which will cost us. At least it's more entertaining and we get to see more goals.

    Regardless I think trying to be the 12th man is the best way forward no matter how hard that may seem for some. Lift the team up rather than tear them down.
    Last edited by MAD_MAGPIE; 30-03-2024 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD_MAGPIE View Post
    I will be there on Monday and will not leave early as I've never left early. However I understand the reasoning behind those who choose to vote with their feet and coupled with the season being over, plus it's a Bank Holiday so people may decide to do other things. The frustration, anger and resentment building are evident but I believe it's also stems from the first defeat at Sutton away. It was the reality check that would tell us we would have problems and weaknesses this season and they were unmasked during LW time in other games such as Colchester, Shrewsbury, Walsall, Harrogate, Wimbledon and Tranmere.

    But under LW it came off the back of the best season ever for me despite the level and we had a manager who had credit in the bank and who the players seemed to love and believe in plus the momentum. We had that Moniz if they score three we will score four about us which kept entertainment levels high because we knew that despite our failings and vulnerabilities we had enough creativity and firepower to overcome it but not all of the time. We let FGR score three at Meadow Lane but still beat them by scoring four. Look where they are in the table. We had good results against the likes of Swindon, Bradford, Morecambe, Doncaster, Salford and all the other games we won that have in the fullness of time saved us from trouble.

    Stuart Maynard's appointment was supposed to give hope to all those football coaches out there from the volunteer heroes at grassroots level all the way up to part time and paid semi professional level that making the step up the level wherever you are on your coaching journey is possible. That was supposed to be the story.

    The results have proven that since SM's been here it's is not working and something is missing and I think this may have been mentioned in commentary about spirit or purpose. For me it is the LW factor and spirit. That enthusiatic, energy and high intensity part of his personality is the missing piece of the jigsaw that made the way we play have the high risk high reward element. Yes people would have laughed at the two goals we conceded yesterday but had we scored two more and won as may have been the case under LW it's more palpable.

    A team is afterall reflective of the managers personality. We still play the same under both LW and SM in terms of a possession based game looking for gaps and retaining the ball, but under SM it feels more conservative and leans more towards Ardleyball such as respecting the point and playing to not lose. The stats may say otherwise but that is the feeling of watching the games.

    Perhaps we should just try and outscore the opposition from now until the end of the season much like the JOB Grimsby game which the 5-5 will go down in history. It seems it's the only way we can win more games than we lose because we know there will be indivdual errors in key moments by someone different each game which will cost us. At least it's more entertaining and we get to see more goals.

    Regardless I think trying to be the 12th man is the best way forward no matter how hard that may seem for some. Lift the team up rather than tear them down.
    Got to admit it would be interesting to be all attack minded again. We do seem in a bit of a limbo - trying to sure things up at the back meaning a more blunted attack.... That said we have had games when the balance has been decent - Wrexham we was robbed, Newport away, Bratfud away.... etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietastic View Post
    Got to admit it would be interesting to be all attack minded again. We do seem in a bit of a limbo - trying to sure things up at the back meaning a more blunted attack.... That said we have had games when the balance has been decent - Wrexham we was robbed, Newport away, Bratfud away.... etc
    I'd agree about the Wrexham game. I'd also add Mansfield into the mix in the fact we created and were really positive and confident in our attacking play certainly within the first quarter of the game that we should have scored at least one. The pinball machine of three shots in about as many seconds in the Mansfield box stands out in my mind. Those two games were fine margins. I'd imagine the Radar will have picked up both Mansfield and Wrexham games as ones in which statistically we deserved more if the way the key moments have gone are noticable to the naked eye. Against two promotion candidates that's a positive.

    There maybe other games where the Radar may have picked up we have done enough so to speak statistically to win the game but due to the individual errors have not. I'd imagine yesterday statistically a draw may have been expected. That first chance early on we should have scored.

    Home is where we have had the poorest results under SM as we know. There are four games left MK Dons, Harrogate, Stockport and Colchester. We need something positive on Monday and this is the problem for SM is that a large majority of the fans attending have not seen a win under SM in five attempts if they don't go to away games or buy the stream.

    Also add into this that from August 2019 until Jan 2024 Meadow Lane has been a tough place to come and we've won more games than we have lost in that time. So that's 4 and 1/2 years it's taken to build the current levels of attendance up and there will be plenty of the 4,000 extra fans who will have not seen consectuctive defeats at home.

    Away from home we are picking up on average a point a game.

    Home P6, W0, D1, L5, GF6, GA15, GD-9, Pts 1
    Away P7, W2, D1, L4, GF10, GA9, GD+1, Pts 7

    We've have conceded the most amount of goals of any side in this league and the third most. That is the argument for all out attack from now until the end of the season especially at home. It can't get any worse and this season can be summed up as National League defending, League One striking.

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