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[BCram]

Why is it silly.

St m are very catchable especially as we play them at Dens.....if we make top 6.

And if we make top 6 we will either be 3 pts or 1 PT behind them going into final 5.

Getting top 6 is the hard bit, catching the buddies is simpler in my book.

Top 6 odds

Dee 1/4
Hibs 7/2
Well 12/1

Now I think that's wrong but bookies don't get much wrong.

My fault choosing the word silly when describing what I thought has been Deeranged's attitude. Let's
not get hung up on a mistake.

Think the bookies are Dabs. They know that the surest way to ensure we fail has been to make us favourites to achieve whatever!

We seem to have a team and a manager and fans that are together. Quibbles about game management when we lose when we are ahead is understandable but not unexpected. We still got a result that keeps top 6 as a possibility.

Glad the Rangers got something out of their match today. Heaven help us if they had lost!!!

[Returnofrros]

My fault choosing the word silly when describing what I thought has been Deeranged's attitude. Let's
not get hung up on a mistake.

Think the bookies are Dabs. They know that the surest way to ensure we fail has been to make us favourites to achieve whatever!

We seem to have a team and a manager and fans that are together. Quibbles about game management when we lose when we are ahead is understandable but not unexpected. We still got a result that keeps top 6 as a possibility.

Glad the Rangers got something out of their match today. Heaven help us if they had lost!!!

Our supporters have zero ambition and little imagination.

Honestly think some are more content with mediocrity or going for the championship title

Same with Scottish cup and league cup, I often wonder why they support at all.

Dare to dream and get a sense of entitlement is what I'd like Dundee fans to be.

[Deeranged]

Why is it silly.

St m are very catchable especially as we play them at Dens.....if we make top 6.

And if we make top 6 we will either be 3 pts or 1 PT behind them going into final 5.

Getting top 6 is the hard bit, catching the buddies is simpler in my book.

Top 6 odds

Dee 1/4
Hibs 7/2
Well 12/1

Now I think that's wrong but bookies don't get much wrong.

Building hope and expectation as a Dundee supporter has always been silly in my time.

Not concerned with bookie odds to be fair, more concerned with what I see as reality and my reality is I don't think we're going to take enough points from Rangers or Aberdeen to assure top six - as you say that's the hard bit. I hope I'm wrong and we make it.

If we get top six talk of Europe will be less silly but, and it's only my opinion, to discuss step two before step one is achieved is just a bit silly. I'm sure Islay would have an old saying for it - never put the cart before the horse or something like that.

[BCram]

Our supporters have zero ambition and little imagination.

Honestly think some are more content with mediocrity or going for the championship title

Same with Scottish cup and league cup, I often wonder why they support at all.

Dare to dream and get a sense of entitlement is what I'd like Dundee fans to be.

Agree.

[eric_sinclair]

In defence of our fans we have had over the years.
2 administrations
Numerous crazy owners
Selling of players for peanuts
Up and down leagues mainly due to above.
Sub standard facilities(no a massive one but could be better imo)
Also no the easiest watching teams like utd,farmers,ICT etc have trophy wins.
I get the support no great at times but a wee reality check on what the club have gave the fans back and mibbe no as unexpected as some think.

[Deeranged]

In defence of our fans we have had over the years.
2 administrations
Numerous crazy owners
Selling of players for peanuts
Up and down leagues mainly due to above.
Sub standard facilities(no a massive one but could be better imo)
Also no the easiest watching teams like utd,farmers,ICT etc have trophy wins.
I get the support no great at times but a wee reality check on what the club have gave the fans back and mibbe no as unexpected as some think.

And now treated with absolute disdain by the current owners.

[Returnofrros]

Our fans are some of the worst.

Sick of blaming everything on admin.....it was a lifetime ago

[BCram]

Think you don't need to provoke a response to keep the conversation going. Possible to argue that our fans are some of the best. 2 admins, eccentric owners and a current CEO who does not seem to think the way we do.

[eric_sinclair]

That's the beauty of these forums,we all have different opinions.
I doubt our fans vary that much in comparison with most.
No much atmosphere at many games that I see.

[Returnofrros]

Think you don't need to provoke a response to keep the conversation going. Possible to argue that our fans are some of the best. 2 admins, eccentric owners and a current CEO who does not seem to think the way we do.

B cram you should know by now I'll say whatever I want, provoke a response all I want.....if that's what you think I'm doing.

If you don't want debate stick to Pravda where you will be policed to death.

And having read about 100 pages on the subject of admin 2 that most fans will never see I believe it wasn't "the fans" that saved the club, they contributed but it was saved by competent and savvy people and a few large anonymous donations.

The fans job is to support the team on the park, I don't think we do that very well.....certainly we cud do it far better.