You'll see me in court

[Andy_Faber]

decisions seem to be accepted far more gracefully in cricket and both rugby codes.

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…and also in the more litigious/adversarial Land Of The Free where they respect (accept) refs decisions, where I can only remember 1 ‘booth review’ I disagreed with all last season, and where they have a ‘coaches challenge’ for perceived injustices which again is consistently reviewed and also adds spice.

Perhaps the answer is to load every pr match with 20 time outs for adverts?

[Andy_Faber]

…and also in the more litigious/adversarial Land Of The Free where they respect (accept) refs decisions, where I can only remember 1 ‘booth review’ I disagreed with all last season, and where they have a ‘coaches challenge’ for perceived injustices which again is consistently reviewed and also adds spice.

Perhaps the answer is to load every pr match with 20 time outs for adverts?

Sorry didn’t say that’s NFL

[Geoff Parkstone]

and paint lines across the pitch every 5 yards

[MadAmster]

and paint lines across the pitch every 5 yards

... don't they also have lines of about 1 yard long, every yard, along the sideline? VAR would simply have to join the "dots"

[Trickytreesreds]

I'll say it, not dance around it. It's corrupt and rigged.

The Coventry decision was outrageous. Change that image by a frame and it was on. It was and always will be in their best interests to have a Manchester final. At 3-0, they were happy and smug. Then their worst nightmare came to light and no way that was getting through.

Play down our game at Everton as much as you like. They were 3 stone wall penalties. Had they been a top 6 side, all would have been awarded.
The var man is a Luton fan and was pointed out to them. The recordings are still not released and now they are claiming, that one doen't have any? Bull****.
Perhaps the Liverpool game deserves a mention as well. A drop ball, given to the wrong team against the rules of the game, who then score from it? We lose 1-0 to aid the Liverpool charge.

It's bent and since the super league rebellion was busted has got worse.
The Wolves game the other night, exactly the same bent decision.

If you go up, VAR in the Championship next season, you'd better hope they still don't have grudge against you.

[SithHappens]

I'll say it, not dance around it. It's corrupt and rigged.

The Coventry decision was outrageous. Change that image by a frame and it was on. It was and always will be in their best interests to have a Manchester final. At 3-0, they were happy and smug. Then their worst nightmare came to light and no way that was getting through.

Play down our game at Everton as much as you like. They were 3 stone wall penalties. Had they been a top 6 side, all would have been awarded.
The var man is a Luton fan and was pointed out to them. The recordings are still not released and now they are claiming, that one doen't have any? Bull****.
Perhaps the Liverpool game deserves a mention as well. A drop ball, given to the wrong team against the rules of the game, who then score from it? We lose 1-0 to aid the Liverpool charge.

It's bent and since the super league rebellion was busted has got worse.
The Wolves game the other night, exactly the same bent decision.

If you go up, VAR in the Championship next season, you'd better hope they still don't have grudge against you.

Was it corrupt and rigged in your play off final?

[macstheman]

I'll say it, not dance around it. It's corrupt and rigged.

The Coventry decision was outrageous. Change that image by a frame and it was on. It was and always will be in their best interests to have a Manchester final. At 3-0, they were happy and smug. Then their worst nightmare came to light and no way that was getting through.

Play down our game at Everton as much as you like. They were 3 stone wall penalties. Had they been a top 6 side, all would have been awarded.
The var man is a Luton fan and was pointed out to them. The recordings are still not released and now they are claiming, that one doen't have any? Bull****.
Perhaps the Liverpool game deserves a mention as well. A drop ball, given to the wrong team against the rules of the game, who then score from it? We lose 1-0 to aid the Liverpool charge.

It's bent and since the super league rebellion was busted has got worse.
The Wolves game the other night, exactly the same bent decision.

If you go up, VAR in the Championship next season, you'd better hope they still don't have grudge against you.

On two different telly channels 2 refs have both said that the first two were not, under the present guidance, pennos but the 3rd deffo was. On MOTD the footie pundits said exactly the same.

[ramAnag]

I'll say it, not dance around it. It's corrupt and rigged.

The Coventry decision was outrageous. Change that image by a frame and it was on. It was and always will be in their best interests to have a Manchester final. At 3-0, they were happy and smug. Then their worst nightmare came to light and no way that was getting through.

Play down our game at Everton as much as you like. They were 3 stone wall penalties. Had they been a top 6 side, all would have been awarded.
The var man is a Luton fan and was pointed out to them. The recordings are still not released and now they are claiming, that one doen't have any? Bull****.
Perhaps the Liverpool game deserves a mention as well. A drop ball, given to the wrong team against the rules of the game, who then score from it? We lose 1-0 to aid the Liverpool charge.

It's bent and since the super league rebellion was busted has got worse.
The Wolves game the other night, exactly the same bent decision.

If you go up, VAR in the Championship next season, you'd better hope they still don't have grudge against you.

Very strange definition of ‘bent’ Tricky.

As regards your match against Everton you got one dreadful decision against you. The other two were exactly as mac describes.

In the Coventry case…the argument is that it wasn’t a ‘clear and obvious’ error…but if the goal had been given the only difference would be that it would be United fans up in arms and you saying ‘change that image by a frame and it was on’ is ridiculous.

Why is it in their best interests to have an all Manchester final? Some of the most eagerly awaited finals…eg Leeds v Sunderland, Liverpool v Wimbledon and Coventry v Spurs have been those involving clear underdogs. The battle of the sky blue Cities…underdogs v rich kids…would have been eminently sellable and wouldn’t have involved any of the logistical problems involved in one northern city relocating to Wembley for the day.

You seem a tad paranoid about it all and honestly…IF we go up - hopefully by this time tomorrow - the presence of VAR next season will be the least of my worries.

[swaledale]

Sorry, we’ll have to agree to differ on the athletics comparison. Agree about it ruining the spontaneity of the game but, as I’ve said, that’s what we (football fans) have to decide on. Do we want to increase the chances of making the correct decision or do we want to retain the spontaneous joy of goals being given without the current scrutiny? The two are not necessarily compatible but I suspect it is going to prove difficult to put the genie back in the bottle.

I'm sorry to, that you don't seem to understand the difference between a camera aligned with a clear painted line that records in real time a body passing a fixed point and a person in a room remote from the pitch using a video from a number of different cameras, with no actual line, fiddling about and drawing lines using whatever technology to determine whther a minute part of a players body is in front of the other player at the time the ball was played.

In athletics, there is one view, one angle and a fixed "real" finishing line and all the people are moving in one direction. Its not subjective, its a photograph of when the runners break the beam at the exact time they do so.

In VAR, there are multiple cameras with different angle of view on the incident, at least two players moving often in different directions, a judgement as to when the ball the player received was played against a line drawn by the VAR operator. In the latter case there are multiple variables and many ways in which the image can be both manipulated and interpreted. If it was like athletics, the decision would be almost instant, not take several minutes.

[swaledale]

On two different telly channels 2 refs have both said that the first two were not, under the present guidance, pennos but the 3rd deffo was. On MOTD the footie pundits said exactly the same.

IN a choice between conspiracy and cockup, the sensible thinking is generally cockup. That Tricky thinks its a conspiracy rather sums up the way he thinks IMO.