Injuries

[Returnofrros]

Have really come at a bad time.

Big test to keep our head above water until January.

[islaydarkblue]

Have really come at a bad time.

Big test to keep our head above water until January.

Which players are out injured and are they long term injuries.

[Returnofrros]

Which players are out injured and are they long term injuries.

Carson..... indefinite
Fraser.......month....till next time
Robertson........couple of weeks
Lacereche.......2/3 months

[Dodbroon]

Carson..... indefinite
Fraser.......month....till next time
Robertson........couple of weeks
Lacereche.......2/3 months

We need a better run of luck injury wise and a few good January signings to keep us out of the bottom two spots. Carson and Larkeche are the bigger losses for me. Fin is unlikely to be as influential as those two and as for Fraser, another in a long long line of players signed who spend far more time out than on the park. If we get more than a few games out of him this season I'll be very surprised.

[parcbara]

We need a better run of luck injury wise and a few good January signings to keep us out of the bottom two spots. Carson and Larkeche are the bigger losses for me. Fin is unlikely to be as influential as those two and as for Fraser, another in a long long line of players signed who spend far more time out than on the park. If we get more than a few games out of him this season I'll be very surprised.

Add big Joe to that list. Him, Carson, Larkeche are big losses, who wont be back until the new year now, I would imagine. Fraser, we all know will feature very little. If he was targeted as McCowan's replacement, then that has failed majorly. That we still only have Sylla capable of defending the midfield is beyond foolish. Our recruitment has been poor this season. WTF does Kirkwood do?

[islaydarkblue]

Add big Joe to that list. Him, Carson, Larkeche are big losses, who wont be back until the new year now, I would imagine. Fraser, we all know will feature very little. If he was targeted as McCowan's replacement, then that has failed majorly. That we still only have Sylla capable of defending the midfield is beyond foolish. Our recruitment has been poor this season. WTF does Kirkwood do?

By the looks of things Kirkwood receives a salary for doing precious little. I thought that Gordon Strachan was the Director of Football at Dundee Football Club.

[islaydarkblue]

Carson..... indefinite
Fraser.......month....till next time
Robertson........couple of weeks
Lacereche.......2/3 months

Thanks for the information.
When we had a decent reserve team players from reserves could be promoted to the first team to replace injured or out of form players.
Craig Brown replaced Bobby Cox when he was injured. Craig Brown also played at Left half for 6 league games towards the end of the 1961-62 season.
Hugh Reid was the replacement at right back for Alec Hamilton.
Bobby Waddell was the replacement for an injured player in the forward line.
I do not know who the reserve goalkeeper was during the 1961-62 season as Pat Liney played in every game.
However during the 1960-61 season John Horsburgh played 4 league games in goal for the first team so he might have still been the reserve goalkeeper during the 1961-62 season.

[Dodbroon]

Thanks for the information.
When we had a decent reserve team players from reserves could be promoted to the first team to replace injured or out of form players.
Craig Brown replaced Bobby Cox when he was injured. Craig Brown also played at Left half for 6 league games towards the end of the 1961-62 season.
Hugh Reid was the replacement at right back for Alec Hamilton.
Bobby Waddell was the replacement for an injured player in the forward line.
I do not know who the reserve goalkeeper was during the 1961-62 season as Pat Liney played in every game.
However during the 1960-61 season John Horsburgh played 4 league games in goal for the first team so he might have still been the reserve goalkeeper during the 1961-62 season.

Hugh Reid was indeed the back up to Alex Hamilton and played several times over a number of seasons from 60/61 to the middle of the decade but strangely didn't play at all during the League winning season. That season five players (Liney, Hamilton, Seith, Ure and Cousin) played every game including cup ties, Shug Robertson only missed one and the others from the iconic team only missed a handful allowing Brown, Stuart, McGeachie and Waddell to play a number of times. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Craig Brown was the only one who played enough games to collect a league winners medal. Looking behind the simple fact that only 15 players were used that season the question is why? Were the players just less injury prone, did they train differently, were the boots they wore in those days better in preventing injuries? It is also noticeable that the best team was out on the park at all times, none of this nonsense nowadays of players that only play in the cups or in the league.

We are not unique in this regard but we sure have signed some crocks over the years some spending far more time on the treatment table than on the park some never made it onto the park. Bad luck, bad recruiting, bad training regime or a combination of all of these? I reckon our recruitment has been poor over the years; this season being one of them.

[islaydarkblue]

Hugh Reid was indeed the back up to Alex Hamilton and played several times over a number of seasons from 60/61 to the middle of the decade but strangely didn't play at all during the League winning season. That season five players (Liney, Hamilton, Seith, Ure and Cousin) played every game including cup ties, Shug Robertson only missed one and the others from the iconic team only missed a handful allowing Brown, Stuart, McGeachie and Waddell to play a number of times. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Craig Brown was the only one who played enough games to collect a league winners medal. Looking behind the simple fact that only 15 players were used that season the question is why? Were the players just less injury prone, did they train differently, were the boots they wore in those days better in preventing injuries? It is also noticeable that the best team was out on the park at all times, none of this nonsense nowadays of players that only play in the cups or in the league.

We are not unique in this regard but we sure have signed some crocks over the years some spending far more time on the treatment table than on the park some never made it onto the park. Bad luck, bad recruiting, bad training regime or a combination of all of these? I reckon our recruitment has been poor over the years; this season being one of them.

According to the book ‘They wore the Dark Blue’ which I used for some of the information in my above post Craig Brown played in 9 league games which qualified him to receive a league winners medal.
Bob Shankly was an ‘old school’ manager who once he had selected the correct players in the correct position in his team and they were winning matches stuck with them instead of the current ‘tombola’ team selections which we have at present.
How many times have you read Tony Docherty stating that apart from first team players out with long term injuries it is the same team as the last game.
Since Bosman we have been guilty of signing some crocks whereas pre Bosman players were either signed as young players starting out on their football career such Thornton’s ‘babes’, players who had received a free transfer such as Thomson Allan and players near the end of their career who knew how to look after themselves such as Gordon Smith.
Back in the 1960’s professional football players did not spend time in gym building up the muscles in their legs which happens nowadays.
I can remember seeing a photograph of Ian Philip training on weights in the Crystal Palace gym after he had been transferred from Dundee FC to Crystal Palace FC.
After Ian Philip was transferred back to Dundee FC he looked ‘muscle bound’ and he was never the same player.
You are correct about the football boots which nowadays are like carpet slippers and give little protection.
Back in the 1960’s players used to suffer from cartilage problems resulting in an operation but nowadays you never hear about players having a cartilage operation.
Football players are suffering from season ending cruciate ligament injuries.
A couple of years ago I was sitting next to Sam Fisher’s father in the Main Stand.
Sam Fisher had suffered from two ACL injuries and according to his father these ACL injuries were caused by playing football on artificial pitches which unlike grass pitches have no give in them.
The Dundee FC players train on artificial pitches at the Caird Park sports centre whereas the players back in the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s trained on grass pitches or the beach at Broughty Ferry if the grass pitches were frozen.
I remember seeing the Dundee FC players training on the NCR Camperdown playing fields when Archie Knox was the manager.
This is the same playing fields which John Nelms has stated that the site for his new stadium development is a ‘Brownfield’ site.
It is not a Brownfield site. It is a Greenfield site which has been left to become a wilderness thanks to neglect by the previous and current owners of the site.

[Returnofrros]

Hugh Reid was indeed the back up to Alex Hamilton and played several times over a number of seasons from 60/61 to the middle of the decade but strangely didn't play at all during the League winning season. That season five players (Liney, Hamilton, Seith, Ure and Cousin) played every game including cup ties, Shug Robertson only missed one and the others from the iconic team only missed a handful allowing Brown, Stuart, McGeachie and Waddell to play a number of times. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Craig Brown was the only one who played enough games to collect a league winners medal. Looking behind the simple fact that only 15 players were used that season the question is why? Were the players just less injury prone, did they train differently, were the boots they wore in those days better in preventing injuries? It is also noticeable that the best team was out on the park at all times, none of this nonsense nowadays of players that only play in the cups or in the league.

We are not unique in this regard but we sure have signed some crocks over the years some spending far more time on the treatment table than on the park some never made it onto the park. Bad luck, bad recruiting, bad training regime or a combination of all of these? I reckon our recruitment has been poor over the years; this season being one of them.

I think played a lot more injuries back in the day, didn't want to lose their place/ win bonus