Hull City Premier League

[baggieal]

Wow - even with our financial problems Hull spent less than us but clearly have a great manager and consistency. Congratulations to them!

Any West Brom fan who says they are happy with mid table next season I would just say Hull City!!!?

Morrison needs to take a good look at Hull and prove he can do the same and clearly it?s not money!

[Grand Wazoo]

Watching those two teams huff and puff highlighted to me just how far Albion have fallen. Both bang average sides, fighting and scrapping which is the least you should expect from your team, but such a lack of quality. Yet they finished in the top six and we ended just above the relegation places. Its shocking. I felt sorry for Luke Ayling as I thought he was the best player on the pitch. Good luck to Hull they stayed up on goal difference last season so maybe there is hope for us. COYB

[baggieal]

Watching those two teams huff and puff highlighted to me just how far Albion have fallen. Both bang average sides, fighting and scrapping which is the least you should expect from your team, but such a lack of quality. Yet they finished in the top six and we ended just above the relegation places. Its shocking. I felt sorry for Luke Ayling as I thought he was the best player on the pitch. Good luck to Hull they stayed up on goal difference last season so maybe there is hope for us. COYB

Good post Wazoo! I hope our bottlers were watching and looked in the mirror afterwards!

[On Balance]

Good post Wazoo! I hope our bottlers were watching and looked in the mirror afterwards!

Al, did our bottlers bottle it or did they actually show some bottle and achieve safety, despite having a two point deduction once believing they were safe. They did not bottle it, far from it. I was at so many games this season where I thought we were unlucky, some I thought we could have done better and then, at the end, with a good hand on the tiller, saw what we were capable of.

It is so easy to always look for faults, I have to say many of so called Baggies are silent until things don?t go their way.

We have no right to be where Hull are, no argument there. Will they struggle next year, probably. Will their supporters remember Wembley and still support them, 60% perhaps, the rest will just moan, most who are not regulars at games, home or away.

It is life, Hull, us or any club in our situation will not win a major trophy. Our clubs are also runners. I feel privileged to be a supporter and very occasionally a fan (if I do not attend a game) of our great club.

Our players have to play under some under achieving coaches this season, so in my mind it is not about the players bottling it, it is more about the coaches who have not been up to it, and supporters who were absent during the hard times and fans who gave up on the team.

Just my thought as thick or thin I am a Baggie.

[baggieal]

Al, did our bottlers bottle it or did they actually show some bottle and achieve safety, despite having a two point deduction once believing they were safe. They did not bottle it, far from it. I was at so many games this season where I thought we were unlucky, some I thought we could have done better and then, at the end, with a good hand on the tiller, saw what we were capable of.

It is so easy to always look for faults, I have to say many of so called Baggies are silent until things don?t go their way.

We have no right to be where Hull are, no argument there. Will they struggle next year, probably. Will their supporters remember Wembley and still support them, 60% perhaps, the rest will just moan, most who are not regulars at games, home or away.

It is life, Hull, us or any club in our situation will not win a major trophy. Our clubs are also runners. I feel privileged to be a supporter and very occasionally a fan (if I do not attend a game) of our great club.

Our players have to play under some under achieving coaches this season, so in my mind it is not about the players bottling it, it is more about the coaches who have not been up to it, and supporters who were absent during the hard times and fans who gave up on the team.

Just my thought as thick or thin I am a Baggie.

The players bottled it OB before Morrison ie there was no connection, no appetite and a lack of desire. It just shows the managers importance of getting the players to perform. Why did the same Man Utd players under Carrick look a different team and deservedly finish third? Same in the work place - a micro manager takes over and the staff do not want to work for the person and the atmosphere is toxic. Another man manager comes in and the same staff are going the extra mile and being more productive. I have seen it so many times.

You make your own luck and every team has bad luck at times but the final league table does not lie. That Hull manager deserved it as Hull spent peanuts but were consistent.

The point being if Morrison is a good manager then of course he can replicate Hull next season with a few quality signings, Hull were nothing special and we walloped them so of course we could do what they have done.

In terms of our final league position - call it what you want - it was a disgrace for a squad with many players on 25K a week plus. Morrison must really look at the Hull success and yes anybody can do it and it?s clearly not money!

[baggiematt]

I find Hulls story fascinating and it is one of the most interesting promotions seen. Credit to them it is an incredible achievement.

You cant help but watch them and think they are one of the worst sides ever to be promoted. I dont buy that much into all the data analytics but they do help to confirm what you see on the pitch: they are statistically the 4th worst team in the league.

I dont think anyone has watched them this season and thought they were a premier league side in making.

A transfer ban
A team of frees and loans
A manager from the baltics who had a hit and miss cv

The idea that if Hull can do it anyone can is true, but those circumstances 9 times out of 10 dont lead to promotion. If that wasnt the case owners wouldnt spend a penny.

In fact, I think if the season was replayed in the same circumstances 10 times, I dont think Hull would be promoted more than once. Before the last game before the play offs they hadnt won in 6 losing to Charlton and drawing with Oxford.

Their play off success was partly down to their good defensive performances and largely down to the ineptitude of Millwall and Middlesbrough. I think Southampton would have torn them apart. Millwall beat them comprehensively away from home only a couple of months prior.

In summary, a fine achievement, but very weird…I think they will be fodder in the premier league even with 100m to spend.

As great as their achievement has been, there is nothing to copy.

[baggieal]

I find Hulls story fascinating and it is one of the most interesting promotions seen. Credit to them it is an incredible achievement.

You cant help but watch them and think they are one of the worst sides ever to be promoted. I dont buy that much into all the data analytics but they do help to confirm what you see on the pitch: they are statistically the 4th worst team in the league.

I dont think anyone has watched them this season and thought they were a premier league side in making.

A transfer ban
A team of frees and loans
A manager from the baltics who had a hit and miss cv

The idea that if Hull can do it anyone can is true, but those circumstances 9 times out of 10 dont lead to promotion. If that wasnt the case owners wouldnt spend a penny.

In fact, I think if the season was replayed in the same circumstances 10 times, I dont think Hull would be promoted more than once. Before the last game before the play offs they hadnt won in 6 losing to Charlton and drawing with Oxford.

Their play off success was partly down to their good defensive performances and largely down to the ineptitude of Millwall and Middlesbrough. I think Southampton would have torn them apart. Millwall beat them comprehensively away from home only a couple of months prior.

In summary, a fine achievement, but very weird…I think they will be fodder in the premier league even with 100m to spend.

As great as their achievement has been, there is nothing to copy.

Good points Matt but still say if Hull can do it then our minimum target next season should be play offs then luck as you infer does come into it. Also shows though a good manager can get the very best out of average players. Carrick did a fantastic job too!

No dressing it up and whilst Morrison did an excellent job our league position was an absolute disgrace due to two useless incompetent managers and poor highly paid players.

[Bombers right foot]

That?s the three relegation places sealed before the new season starts, so Spurs/ West Ham, Forest will survive again, Coventry, Ipswich and Hull did well in a poor Championship but as Premier League teams, absolute joke, plenty of cash coming their way though

[baggieal]

That?s the three relegation places sealed before the new season starts, so Spurs/ West Ham, Forest will survive again, Coventry, Ipswich and Hull did well in a poor Championship but as Premier League teams, absolute joke, plenty of cash coming their way though

Bang on there Bomber. I hope your well and bet Saltburn heaving with this weather.