OT: Old Mrs. May's fudge shoppe

[magpie_mania]

Are you seriously suggesting that the words (promise ?) of one politician, given in one speech should bind every government in perpetuity despite subsequent events showing that the outcome is a disaster for Britain ? Why are the Brexiters so afraid of another, presumably simple confirming, referendum ? If the terms are so good then the result will surely be an overwhelming OUT which will kill the debate and the claims of the previous 48%. Won't it ?

I've said that all along.

If Brexit is such a wonderful thing, surely after the deal is done, and all the Remainers see the light as to how good it is, a vote on te final deal will be an overwhelming 'accept'. So why are the Brexiters against it?

And for all those who use phrases like 'Remoaners', 'Cry Babies' etc., who was it who said "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

Farage - in other words, anything less than a 2/3 majority and we won't accept it.

[tarquinbeech]

I've said that all along.

If Brexit is such a wonderful thing, surely after the deal is done, and all the Remainers see the light as to how good it is, a vote on te final deal will be an overwhelming 'accept'. So why are the Brexiters against it?

And for all those who use phrases like 'Remoaners', 'Cry Babies' etc., who was it who said "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

Farage - in other words, anything less than a 2/3 majority and we won't accept it.

.....because, as a matter of principle, the referendum result was binding ie we leave.....otherwise, any referendum in the future will be largely ignored if the government do not like the outcome....the electorate will start to distrust the politicians and Democracy will be undermined.

I am not saying that there shouldn't be a new referendum in the future, say 5 years from now, if conditions worsen or the EU invite us back in under new terms but this smacks of the SNP where they lose the Indy vote then Krankie whines on and on for years until she gets a new vote.

The other counter-argument is where was the 2nd referendum on entering the Common Market in 1975?......we only got one vote, which went the way of the pro-Europeans....and it took us 41 years to get a 2nd refendum!!......the Remoaners want a 2nd one before we've even left, which sounds a tad unfair

[magpie_mania]

.....because, as a matter of principle, the referendum result was binding ie we leave.....otherwise, any referendum in the future will be largely ignored if the government do not like the outcome....the electorate will start to distrust the politicians and Democracy will be undermined.

I am not saying that there shouldn't be a new referendum in the future, say 5 years from now, if conditions worsen or the EU invite us back in under new terms but this smacks of the SNP where they lose the Indy vote then Krankie whines on and on for years until she gets a new vote.

The other counter-argument is where was the 2nd referendum on entering the Common Market in 1975?......we only got one vote, which went the way of the pro-Europeans....and it took us 41 years to get a 2nd refendum!!......the Remoaners want a 2nd one before we've even left, which sounds a tad unfair

Genuine question here:
Had remain won, would Farage & co. have accepted it?

[tarquinbeech]

Genuine question here:
Had remain won, would Farage & co. have accepted it?

Yes....as far as I aware....I would've anyway

I would also accept being part of the EU as a trading partner if they offered us decent terms and some, if not all, of our sovereign power back ie the right to admit immigrants on merit and the right to deport foreign criminals committing serious crimes ie rape, murder, burglary...not traffic offences like speeding.

Also, why do foreign nationals in the UK have the right to claim child support for their family living in Bulgaria?....that makes no sense to me. If the wages are decent in the UK and we need that skilled or even unskilled labour, why are we sending taxpayers money to support a family living the other side of Europe?
Surely we are better off making an unemployed Brit do the work and supporting his family instead of paying him to sit at home.....it seems to me that we are paying for two people to do one job ......and their families as well in benefits.

Various people are asking "how does the EU laws affect you personally"......common sense tells me that if the system wasn't being bled dry, Brits were in full employment, the NHS and schools not over-burdened, housing freed up and the police not running around chasing Albanian people-smugglers or Somalian grooming gangs....then the UK would be a better place to live and probably more affluent.

[magpie_mania]

Yes....as far as I aware....I would've anyway

I would also accept being part of the EU as a trading partner if they offered us decent terms and some, if not all, of our sovereign power back ie the right to admit immigrants on merit and the right to deport foreign criminals committing serious crimes ie rape, murder, burglary...not traffic offences like speeding.

Also, why do foreign nationals in the UK have the right to claim child support for their family living in Bulgaria?....that makes no sense to me. If the wages are decent in the UK and we need that skilled or even unskilled labour, why are we sending taxpayers money to support a family living the other side of Europe?
Surely we are better off making an unemployed Brit do the work and supporting his family instead of paying him to sit at home.....it seems to me that we are paying for two people to do one job ......and their families as well in benefits.

Various people are asking "how does the EU laws affect you personally"......common sense tells me that if the system wasn't being bled dry, Brits were in full employment, the NHS and schools not over-burdened, housing freed up and the police not running around chasing Albanian people-smugglers or Somalian grooming gangs....then the UK would be a better place to live and probably more affluent.

So, Farage said it would definitely be unfinished business, but you reckon he'd just accept it? Come on, be reasonable!

You certainly have rose-tinted glasses, but obviously when we're out and all your 'wrongs' are righted, maybe you'd return then?