O/T:- Is Brexit a dead duck?

[dam617]

It's the deal you would expect from a Prime Minister whose heart isn't really in leaving, because she was a previously declared remainer. The Conservative Party's biggest mistake was putting someone like May in charge. The previous Leader had just resigned because he didn't believe in leaving, and so it should have been obvious that this was a job for a staunch Brexiteer who would have had us out well before now, with or without a deal, and wasting far less money on extra Civil Service (ahem!) "negotiators" in the process.

It wasn't a mistake mate. From the moment the Polling Stations shut their doors there was never any intention of honouring a 'Leave' vote.

[magpie_mania]

It wasn't a mistake mate. From the moment the Polling Stations shut their doors there was never any intention of honouring a 'Leave' vote.

And you asked me if it was a wind-up!

[drillerpie]

Europe is heading that way mainly because the politicians ignored their people.

What aspect of populist right wing governments do people on here find scary?

I'd have thought anti-EU rhetoric, anti-Islam rhetoric, closing the borders, paying lip service to Christian family values, economic policies which (ostensibly) favour the man in the street, anti-intellectualism and so on and so forth would be exactly what most posters on here want to see.

[BigFatPie]

I still think, (God forbid), May-bot will somehow get her deal thru. A lot of Tory minds will become oh so much more focused when the words 'No deal', 'No brexit' and '2nd referendum', are bandied about. That and the few Labour MP's who would vote for it might just carry the day. Most prob on the 2nd time of asking with a few promised, but non delivered amendments thrown in.

I always remember this post from December as being a potentially fairly accurate description of what was to come. Other than the “2nd time” bit.

Gypsy Rose Gump.

[Elite_Pie]

I always remember this post from December as being a potentially fairly accurate description of what was to come. Other than the “2nd time” bit.

Gypsy Rose Gump.

Yep, gumpy's post looks scarily accurate after yet more farcical twists and turns today. So her deal that has been rejected by a landslide twice because it is so bad, now has a chance of being accepted even though there have been no real changes. So having taken 'control', now parliament is effectively saying "We know her deal is a pile of sh!t that very, very few will be happy with, but we are so f@cking useless it's the best we can come up with". The funniest thing is that we won't be allowed to do the sensible thing and put a final deal back to the public, because it would be against democracy!

[nw6pie]

I'm a big fan of the Brexitcast podcast, and the talk among the experts on there has always been that Theresa May and the EU have actually being playing a blinder, taking it right down to the wire and then forcing MPs to accept their deal, flaws and all, rather than crash out with no deal.

Quite how a deal that has had only cosmetic changes can go from the biggest government defeat in modern times to looking like it will eventually scrape through beggars belief - but does sum up this whole sorry Brexit omnishambles.

[JoePass]

I'm a big fan of the Brexitcast podcast, and the talk among the experts on there has always been that Theresa May and the EU have actually being playing a blinder, taking it right down to the wire and then forcing MPs to accept their deal, flaws and all, rather than crash out with no deal.

Quite how a deal that has had only cosmetic changes can go from the biggest government defeat in modern times to looking like it will eventually scrape through beggars belief - but does sum up this whole sorry Brexit omnishambles.

I am sick to the back teeth of all of Brexit , however, any deal is better than getting a Corbyn Marxist, anti-capitalist, anti-british, anti nuclear deterrent, foreign loving,anti-Semitic government.

[jackal2]

It's by no means certain that Speaker Bercow (who is not exactly an impartial arbiter in this matter!) will allow the deal back for another vote, but if he does, then it seems fair to say Theresa May is closer to getting it through than at any time previously. A lot will no doubt depend on what the DUP decide.

Most Brexiteer MPs and many Leave voters will be far from satisfied, but will probably take the view that at least it is heading in the direction of Brexit and moves things on to the next stage.

In truth, the Deal is little more than a staging post for more negotiation, and if this is undertaken by a new Prime Minister and a Cabinet with far more sincere Brexit credentials, then they could ultimately get where they want to go - albeit more gradually - with some creatively destructive negotiating.

We could also still be looking at a General Election in the not too distant future and potentially a very different Parliament thereafter.
In such an event I have no doubt that the Labour Party will kick out the Blairites and select hard core Socialists across the country, and the Conservatives will need be equally ruthless and rigorous with the type of candidates they select or re-select, because a sizeable portion of their core vote and most loyal footsoldiers feel betrayed by the party at present. They will need convincing - and may take a lot of convincing - that the candidates offered to them next time have genuine, right-wing, Tory credentials. The Nicky Morgans and Dominic Grieves of this world need not apply.

[Elite_Pie]

I am sick to the back teeth of all of Brexit , however, any deal is better than getting a Corbyn Marxist, anti-capitalist, anti-british, anti nuclear deterrent, foreign loving,anti-Semitic government.

Calm down, you'll have a seizure in a minute!

Were your first few words finally an admission that the Tories have made a complete and utter balls up of Brexit?

[i961pie]

Yep, gumpy's post looks scarily accurate after yet more farcical twists and turns today. So her deal that has been rejected by a landslide twice because it is so bad, now has a chance of being accepted even though there have been no real changes. So having taken 'control', now parliament is effectively saying "We know her deal is a pile of sh!t that very, very few will be happy with, but we are so f@cking useless it's the best we can come up with". The funniest thing is that we won't be allowed to do the sensible thing and put a final deal back to the public, because it would be against democracy!

The only thing that has been against democracy is the way MPs have acted to stop a people's vote in favour of leave.