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But that’s not true the current chairman can’t be held responsible for others failing to uphold their own policy. -
Absolutely !! Humanitarianism and social justice is the bedrock and conscience of the caring decent wurld, Pejorative folk tend to be the "I'm alright Jack fvck you lot kinda people. IMO who does not believe in Humanitarism is a pure cvnt. Off for mair wine nowOriginally posted by InversneckieDob View PostComment
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Signs are all there Pal. Fascism crept up in Germany and nobody really noticed Fascism comes in many forms and its usually the vulnerable and weak who are scapegoated. Look what's happening in the USA re Women's rights... abortion is now banned in many states the main drivers of this is the Religious Right wing another sub movement of fascism.Originally posted by Basingstokered View Post
I'll give you a few examples.
In 1930s Germany peaceful protest was banned. In the UK peaceful protest will be a Crime. (police bill 2023)
Tories proposing electoral reform ID required Tories to take control of Electoral commission .. 1930 Germany Fair elections ended. (Election Bill )
UK a bill to strip citizenship who they want. (National and Borders bill) Many were removed from Germany in the 1930s
Human rights act to be removed (Brexit bill)
All these things were were upfront in Germany in the 1930s but it started with blaming all of societies problems on minorities refugees and immigrants ... That how Fascism started in1930s Germany.... Ring any bells ? it phucking should !!!Last edited by stewarty27; 11-03-2023, 11:46 PM.Comment
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Where to start with the above nonsense. Can you point to where the UK have striped anyone of their citizenship who haven’t been linked to supporting terrorism?Originally posted by stewarty27 View Post
Proposing ID to vote how dare you have to produce ID to vote.
Show where in the crime bill peacful protest has been deemed a crime.Comment
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Voting without ID sounds a weird idea.
Apart from that, I've been looking at the similarities between the rise of the Nazis and Brexit England for some time.
Some of the similarities are uncanny.
Now, will Boris manage a comeback or has that been avoided?
A lot could hang on that outcome.Comment
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On stripping of citizenship. It started in 2006, for the first time since 1973. 474 cases between 2006 and 2020, with most being for fraud. Been a lot more since 2020, so no idea why the need to make it easier.Originally posted by Basingstokered View Post
Just over 500 cases of fraud reported over all UK elections for the year 2019.
Of all these cases investigated by the Police, only 4 were deemed to have been fraudulent.
No idea why the sudden need for ID.
Police have plenty of powers to stop protest.
No idea why they need to give police more powers.Comment
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Will Hutton nails it in today’s Observer (no link available yet).
It’s not often I learn a new word, but his use of “satrapy” had me scuttling for the dictionary.
His final two paragraph peroration middles it to cover point:
“The arguments over whether Lineker’s contract as a freelance sports commentator allows him to express his views or not are specious. The contract does. Over the years, a string of presenters of varying political colours have been permitted to share their thoughts on social media without sanction, while simultaneously observing impartiality in BBC studios. In a world of social media it’s the only way to operate, otherwise the pool of talent prepared to work for the channel will shrink alarmingly – thus Alan Sugar and Andrew Neil have worked both as BBC presenters and social media partisans, and Lineker was acting within the same framework. But whatever the rules, when policy gets this extreme, menacing who we are and the values we live by, unexpected people stand up to be counted. In this case, Lineker was the man. The BBC found itself in a position where it was damned if it acted and damned if it did not. The stronger position would have been to protect itself and thus Lineker; by “sticking to its guns” over impartiality being applied to a presenter who leans left, but not having acted on those who lean right, the charge of double standards has become impossible to rebut. Before our eyes a treasured public institution paid for by all licence fee payers has become a satrapy of the right.
The furore has transformed the terms of the debate. Labour had confined itself to criticising the policy only in terms of its workability. Now it cannot allow only Gary Lineker to speak out about the rotten values that have driven it, as the numbers declaring their support for him grow. This is transmuting into a popular progressive moment as the integrity of public service broadcasting is defended alongside Lineker’s stance on asylum seeking. Britain is not the rightwing country the right imagines. It is a fairer, much more decent place. Congratulations to the Match of the Day presentation team who showed us who we are – the best game any of them have played.”Last edited by 57vintage; 12-03-2023, 07:22 AM.Comment
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In pronunciation, I'd have added a "c"
But seeing it written down, (satrapcy) it doesn't look right.Comment
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It was defined as “the province or jurisdiction of a satrap”.
Now I understand what The Boomtown Rats’ first chart-topper was about.Comment
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Like the Will Hutton article. Malachy Clerkin from the Irish Times also nails it. Sorry no linky either.
Malachy Clerkin
Fri Mar 10 2023.
"Gary Lineker must sit back and wonder sometimes how it got to this. How did he, the world’s most manifestly vanilla footballer, the apogee of mild-mannered English decorum when he played, how did that guy become a figure of UK-wide national outrage? It’s like hearing Cliff Richard turned out to be a crypto bro or that Su Pollard’s third act was as head of Combat 18. It doesn’t compute.
This is Gary Winston Lineker we’re talking about. Yes, after Churchill. A sportsman so bland, so studiously inoffensive that he went through his entire career without once getting booked. Who actually began his post-football life as a pundit but was so unopinionated that the BBC had to find another role for him. Too nice for the Match of the Day couch – has faint praise ever been so damning?
Yet if you cocked an ear to our friends across the water this week, you’d come away convinced that the very fate of modern Britain is predicated on Gary Lineker’s Twitter account. Depending on where you’re standing, Lineker is either a Martin Luther King for the 21st century or a pinko disgrace and a danger to the state. This is quite the turn of events.
His tweets this week comparing the pointedly cruel language of Tory Home Secretary Suella Braverman on refugees “to that used in Germany in the 1930s” has plonked him right into the nexus of the culture wars over there. For the foreseeable future – and most likely long after it – he will be a lightning rod for the peculiar brand of conservative English mania that has taken hold of post-Brexit Britain.
It’s wild when you think about it. A man so devoted to the quiet life in his playing days that he preferred snooker to golf as a post-training pastime on the basis that it was less tiring – true story! – has somehow been reinvented as a scourge of government, a voice for the voiceless, a truth-teller in a world of right-wing spivs and charlatans. All because he uses his platform and his 8.7 million Twitter followers to occasionally talk with humanity and decency about the world around him.
When you step back from it, the most interesting aspect of the week wasn’t that he had a go at a sitting Tory minister. It wasn’t that he compared her words to those of Nazis in the 1930s. And it definitely wasn’t the risible notion that his Twitter account was somehow a threat to the BBC’s sacred impartiality.
No, far more interesting was the fact that it worked. The BBC got spooked and didn’t stand by their man. They tried to browbeat Lineker into an apology and when he refused, they pulled him off air. One of the great institutions of British life ultimately quailed at the feet of the Tory government and the right-wing press. In doing so, they provided a lovely distraction from the troubles of the former and dished up a tasty weekend morsel to feed the beast for the latter.
So much of this stuff is noise, peddled for profit, nakedly disingenuous rabble-rousing. Bad enough that the BBC had already led their two most-watched news bulletins on Wednesday evening with Lineker’s Tweets around Braverman’s refugee policy rather than the refugee policy itself. Imagine the delight in Tory HQ when they saw that. Another day down, another news cycle survived. What’s next off the bull**** conveyor belt?
Well, it turns out nothing is. Roll on a couple more days and by Friday afternoon, the BBC had decided to pull Lineker off-air altogether. Oh, how green must the valley have been in the Home Office when the news came through. Nobody is spending the weekend talking about brown people dying in boats in the English Channel. Everything is centred now on the Twitter account of an English sporting hero. They’ve had a right result here.
The BBC had a busy day, as it happens. Even the sainted David Attenborough fell foul of them. It was reported earlier in the day that the final episode of his upcoming series on wildlife in the British Isles won’t be shown on the mainstream BBC for fear of upsetting right-wing politicians and press. It will instead be held back and only be shown on the iPlayer.
Imagine telling someone in 1990 that the BBC would one day side with government and anti-immigration, anti-environment vested interests over Gary Lineker and David Attenborough? They’d wonder what sort of dark dystopian Britain the future had in store. That’s the power of the people Lineker has annoyed this week.
Here’s the really depressing thing. If Gary Lineker can’t survive a week of the culture wars, who can? Lineker is a genuine sporting giant, one of England’s all-time 24-carat greats. And in his second life, he has been an established feature of the sporting landscape in the UK for over a quarter of a century. Nothing that’s said about him in the Daily Mail or the Telegraph or even on the BBC will change any of that.
Put it this way. By pulling him from Match of the Day, the BBC have probably put him out on the open market. Who loses? Not Lineker. He’ll have no shortage of suitors only delighted to pay him the £1.3m a year he gets from the BBC. And when it comes to his Twitter account, do you imagine the suits in Sky or BT or wherever give a tuppenny damn what he says? Or will they just see the 8.7m followers he brings with him and hope he doesn’t ask for an extra million quid because of them?
Gary Lineker will be fine. But if he can’t stand up against a politician like Braverman, someone who describes seeing a plane leave Heathrow for Rwanda filled with asylum seekers as “my dream, my obsession”, who will?
If the might of the BBC isn’t deployed to support somebody as famous and beloved as Lineker, what are the chances they’ll back a lowly reporter trying to hold the Tories to account? And if someone like Lineker gets chewed up by the culture wars machine, what does that say to the next generation of sportspeople when it comes to standing up for the downtrodden and the vulnerable?
Nothing good, that’s for sure."Comment
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I always suspected that Su Pollard had neo-Nazi proclivities. The evidence was in plain sight.
“I jooost wanna be a Brownshirt”.
“Heil-De-Heil”
Wrong ‘un.Comment
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“Heil-De-Heil”
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A good read that. I hadn't known of the Attenborough programme being moved though.Originally posted by stewarty27 View Post
We now pander to the needs of people who ejaculate in their pants when they see dead asylum seekers floating in the English Channel.Comment
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Unlike Oakesh1tt i protect my sources but a wee birdy tells me, that one of the leadership candidates has done a bit too much sh@gging. Story will break if the candidate wins. Something to keep an eye on
The same person told me that Salmond was a wrong ‘un about 10 years before he saw the inside of a courtComment
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