General News Chat

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

Kneecap cancelled from TRNSMT. Well done to all the curtain twitchers who werent going anyway

Just playing devil's advocate here - and couldn't really care less about Kneecap and their attempts to shock for fame - but what if they were calling for people to go out and kill trans folks? Or women? Or ethnic minorities? Or all socialists? Is a call to kill someone acceptable directed at one group but not others?

I back hatred for all tories (and Reform and UKIP etc. etc.) but never to kill, even if said in jest or in irony. They could take some lessons from the likes of Public Enemy in effectively getting a message out through music.

But I don't really follow it closely enough to care about them or know the full is and outs of their messaging, but just curious.

Personally I would have chucked them off the bill based on the (non)quality of their music (and that's not me being mid-fifties and going blah bah blah this sort of music sucks - it is based on their music being p*sh)

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

Yas. Class war!

https://archive.ph/uPTAz

I reckon Starmer's a dark horse when it comes to booze and could outdrink Farage 15 pints of bitter to 4 - whilst backing all the winners at Newmarket

[Mason89]

Mozz recorded Margaret on the Guillotine in the 80s. It?s not one of his best but attacking Tories is nothing new.

It?s just an occupational hazard. If they didnt want abuse, they shouldnt have become Tories in the first place

[Mason89]

I reckon Starmer's a dark horse when it comes to booze and could outdrink Farage 15 pints of bitter to 4 - whilst backing all the winners at Newmarket

There been rumours for years that Starmer is a total jakeball

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

It?s just an occupational hazard. If they didnt want abuse, they shouldnt have become Tories in the first place

I can't really argue with that.

The "only good tory is a dead tory" comment I can live with. That's OK and a sentiment shared by many. I just feel a call to kill your local MP is just a bit too far in my eyes. There's a lot of f**k wits out there who will take it literally, resulting in another Jo Cox or whoever the Es*** bloke was.

But, again. What if it was a right wing group of trump supporting yahoos calling for an uprising against the trans community. What would the reaction be to that?

And I'm really not having a go - I tend to agree with most of your politics. I am just curious if hate is OK towards some but not others depending on ones viewpoint and political leaning etc, or if it is easier to defend and condone people's comments when they mirror your own to some extent?

Personally, I just want to live in a world where people are people, and as long as they aren't c***s we repsect others views and choices even if we disagree - but where's the fun in that!

[TheDeeDon]

I can't really argue with that.

The "only good tory is a dead tory" comment I can live with. That's OK and a sentiment shared by many. I just feel a call to kill your local MP is just a bit too far in my eyes. There's a lot of f**k wits out there who will take it literally, resulting in another Jo Cox or whoever the Es*** bloke was.

But, again. What if it was a right wing group of trump supporting yahoos calling for an uprising against the trans community. What would the reaction be to that?

And I'm really not having a go - I tend to agree with most of your politics. I am just curious if hate is OK towards some but not others depending on ones viewpoint and political leaning etc, or if it is easier to defend and condone people's comments when they mirror your own to some extent?

Personally, I just want to live in a world where people are people, and as long as they aren't c***s we repsect others views and choices even if we disagree - but where's the fun in that!

They are an Irish Language band called Kneecap, so nobody should be surprised in what they say.

If it wasn't for what happened over in America gaining traction over here, I doubt we would have heard about the said comments from a gig last November.

Was some awful shyte going around about Jeremy Corbyn and the London Mayor, Kahn? Those comments hardly caused a ripple in our media.

I'd still say the overwhelming majority of people wouldn't take a kill your MP remark, as a call to arms.

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

They are an Irish Language band called Kneecap, so nobody should be surprised in what they say.

If it wasn't for what happened over in America gaining traction over here, I doubt we would have heard about the said comments from a gig last November.

Was some awful shyte going around about Jeremy Corbyn and the London Mayor, Kahn? Those comments hardly caused a ripple in our media.

I'd still say the overwhelming majority of people wouldn't take a kill your MP remark, as a call to arms.

Once again, I can't really argue with that - but it does avoid the question; does one set of rules apply when the speaker shares your views, and another when they don't. Killing tories OK, killing [insert minority here] uttered by a right wing nut job not OK.

I just think we (myself included) are quick to say 'it's a fuss over nothing' when it suits us, and get outraged about the same sort of thing from the other side when it doesn't suit us.

We as a race are very good at applying rules to suit our own narrative. One of many examples and comparisons - John Lennon, wife beating child neglector but that's OK. Bloke who used to be in Kasabian, being a c**t once, his girlfriend forgave him then married him and supporting him through getting, help but still losing his career. I'm absolutely not forgiving what he did - but it's a similar thing. One is OK because he became a peace loving hippy who shaped music, the other isn't OK because it's wrong.

Anyway, I don't really give a shiney sh*te about Kneecap so will leave it there. They'll vanish into oblivion as quickly as they rose to their current level of infamy. They need to be more Joe Talbot in their tory hating.

[Mason89]

It?s an interesting point, I suppose the difference is that a Tory MP is an absolute c*nt as an individual, as well as part of the party. You can be absolutely certain of that. If a right wing rap group started on a minority group, then your starting point can?t be that theyre all c*nts.

Its a game better played with nonces Most folk will agree that Savile, Glitter, Watkins are the worst examples of humanity. Donald Trump, David Bowie, King Charles III get a free pass. Go figure

[Jupiter]

Like all rappers their so called music is utter shiite.

[Mason89]

Im guessing youre basing that on the Morris Minor and the Majors song you heard that one time and didn?t enjoy

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

Im guessing youre basing that on the Morris Minor and the Majors song you heard that one time and didn?t enjoy

Hey - you can't go knocking No Sleep 'til Bedtime and not expect an invitation to meet at the Pittodrie Bar to sort this out once and for all!

I agree with Jupiter that Kneecap are utter shiite. I disagree with Jupiter that all rap music is utter shiite..........Morris Minor and the Majors included.

[TheDeeDon]

Like all rappers their so called music is utter shiite.

I wasn't surprised in the least to read that.

[Jupiter]

I wasn't surprised in the least to read that.

Because it's true

[57vintage]

Socialist for business and banking, austerity for the rest of us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0l4l4kpnko

The biggest chance we had since 1945 to take free-market capitalism up a p1sh-stinking lane and kick the seven shades out of it as due punishment for its innate cruelty and me-first operational methodology, was passed on in 2009.

Now the shares have been given back to the usurers and larcenous, to do it all over again, plus interest naturally.

That cnut lives beyond the grave.

Spineless baystards.

[Mason89]

Anyone popping along to listen to the privately educated former city banker with the EU passport, do his man of the people pish? Maybe hell go to the chipper for fash. Wont that be a hoot