Rangers Then, Sevco Now, Scotland's Shame Forever....

[The_Moog]

In my opinion, if the club chooses to do nothing, then they are as corrupt as Rangers. Any club that can sit back and accept that as okay doesnt deserve the backing of its fans, who spend there hard earned on seeing a competitive sport. All integrity was lost in the years they cheated and now AFC know that it was illegal, they should be doing everything they can to make sure that their fans are represented and that action is taken. If the SPFL then chose not to do it, then that isnt the clubs fault, but we should be pressuring them nonetheless.

Sitting back and just burying our head in the sand is why this happened in the first place. For too long there have been two clubs who have dictated the way our game is run, for me its time for the rest of the clubs to stand up and go against the grain.

Too right Stupie - spot on min.

If AFC do and say nothing then they are in effect supporting and condoning the huns cheating. Each to their own, but I personally have no interest in continuing to pish away good money following a club in a league that puts the interests and wishes of a club we despise ahead of the wishes of their own fans. I wasted thousands watching a rigged league & cups being regularly won by deliberate cheating on an industrial scale and something needs done about it.

If AFC and the other clubs are happy just being the cheeks bitches then that’s up to them – but its not for me. I just don’t see the point. As Mason said earlier in this thread, if nothing is done, and the clubs don’t push for action in this matter, then there really is no point to Scottish Football at all. If the club stand up and try to do the right thing, but fail due to the lack of action from other clubs & fans or the corrupt SFA and SPFL then fair enough, they will retain my support. If not then that’s it for me, after over 40 years following the Dons.

I doff my cap to Dons Supporters Together and the fans last night who have made their feelings clear. We need much more of that from everyone. Christ, even the Tims have done the right thing with a carefully worded statement. I see no reason why AFC cannot do the same as a club for starters.

Unfortunately, I‘ve already renewed my season ticket as I didn’t expect a decision from the court until the end of the year, but I’ve emailed the club making my feelings clear and asking them to take the required action here and stand up for what is right. As a start, I’d urge everyone to do the same.

I’ve told them if the club does nothing and nothing happens then this will be my last season ticket. I might even ask for a refund before the season starts. As it stands, if AFC continue to say and do nothing then I won’t be attending the Euro game next week in protest. I will not attend any Scottish Cup games this year if nothing changes, as I wont fund the SFA, and I will decide on League Cup games once the SPFL make their position clear as at least they have said they will review their position in light of the Supreme Court decision.

Following the utterly depressing but predictable SFA statement, I’m finished with Scotland and wont attend anymore Hampden games as I refuse to put any more cash in the SFA and that utterly despicable c'unt Regan’s pockets. I’m afraid, like it or not, this is the only way we’re ever going to get justice here guys.

I’d also like to see us and the fans of every club start to hold a minutes applause, or some form of vocal demonstration, in the 14th minute of every game (14 for the number of titles and trophies the huns cheated to win during the EBT years) until such times and our clubs and the authorities act.

Enough is enough. We‘ve had to put up with the same club and “going for 55” pish for the last 5 years and its only going to get worse unless we and fans of all clubs act now.

As when the huns died, fan power is the only way to force action – and fan power has to involve hitting them in the pocket. Like it or not, its almost certain nothing will happen without this so its up to each and every one of us to decide whether we are happy with the status quo and forever being subservient to the cheeks, or if we want to see the club stand up, show some backbone and do what is right.

[Pacman1903]

Too right Stupie - spot on min.

If AFC do and say nothing then they are in effect supporting and condoning the huns cheating. Each to their own, but I personally have no interest in continuing to pish away good money following a club in a league that puts the interests and wishes of a club we despise ahead of the wishes of their own fans. I wasted thousands watching a rigged league & cups being regularly won by deliberate cheating on an industrial scale and something needs done about it.

If AFC and the other clubs are happy just being the cheeks bitches then that’s up to them – but its not for me. I just don’t see the point. As Mason said earlier in this thread, if nothing is done, and the clubs don’t push for action in this matter, then there really is no point to Scottish Football at all. If the club stand up and try to do the right thing, but fail due to the lack of action from other clubs & fans or the corrupt SFA and SPFL then fair enough, they will retain my support. If not then that’s it for me, after over 40 years following the Dons.

I doff my cap to Dons Supporters Together and the fans last night who have made their feelings clear. We need much more of that from everyone. Christ, even the Tims have done the right thing with a carefully worded statement. I see no reason why AFC cannot do the same as a club for starters.

Unfortunately, I‘ve already renewed my season ticket as I didn’t expect a decision from the court until the end of the year, but I’ve emailed the club making my feelings clear and asking them to take the required action here and stand up for what is right. As a start, I’d urge everyone to do the same.

I’ve told them if the club does nothing and nothing happens then this will be my last season ticket. I might even ask for a refund before the season starts. As it stands, if AFC continue to say and do nothing then I won’t be attending the Euro game next week in protest. I will not attend any Scottish Cup games this year if nothing changes, as I wont fund the SFA, and I will decide on League Cup games once the SPFL make their position clear as at least they have said they will review their position in light of the Supreme Court decision.

Following the utterly depressing but predictable SFA statement, I’m finished with Scotland and wont attend anymore Hampden games as I refuse to put any more cash in the SFA and that utterly despicable c'unt Regan’s pockets. I’m afraid, like it or not, this is the only way we’re ever going to get justice here guys.

I’d also like to see us and the fans of every club start to hold a minutes applause, or some form of vocal demonstration, in the 14th minute of every game (14 for the number of titles and trophies the huns cheated to win during the EBT years) until such times and our clubs and the authorities act.

Enough is enough. We‘ve had to put up with the same club and “going for 55” pish for the last 5 years and its only going to get worse unless we and fans of all clubs act now.

As when the huns died, fan power is the only way to force action – and fan power has to involve hitting them in the pocket. Like it or not, its almost certain nothing will happen without this so its up to each and every one of us to decide whether we are happy with the status quo and forever being subservient to the cheeks, or if we want to see the club stand up, show some backbone and do what is right.

Good post.

I haven't renewed yet (more down to being lazy than anything). Why should I if the game is rigged

[The Trading Sheep]

Too right Stupie - spot on min.

If AFC do and say nothing then they are in effect supporting and condoning the huns cheating. Each to their own, but I personally have no interest in continuing to pish away good money following a club in a league that puts the interests and wishes of a club we despise ahead of the wishes of their own fans. I wasted thousands watching a rigged league & cups being regularly won by deliberate cheating on an industrial scale and something needs done about it.

If AFC and the other clubs are happy just being the cheeks bitches then that’s up to them – but its not for me. I just don’t see the point. As Mason said earlier in this thread, if nothing is done, and the clubs don’t push for action in this matter, then there really is no point to Scottish Football at all. If the club stand up and try to do the right thing, but fail due to the lack of action from other clubs & fans or the corrupt SFA and SPFL then fair enough, they will retain my support. If not then that’s it for me, after over 40 years following the Dons.

I doff my cap to Dons Supporters Together and the fans last night who have made their feelings clear. We need much more of that from everyone. Christ, even the Tims have done the right thing with a carefully worded statement. I see no reason why AFC cannot do the same as a club for starters.

Unfortunately, I‘ve already renewed my season ticket as I didn’t expect a decision from the court until the end of the year, but I’ve emailed the club making my feelings clear and asking them to take the required action here and stand up for what is right. As a start, I’d urge everyone to do the same.

I’ve told them if the club does nothing and nothing happens then this will be my last season ticket. I might even ask for a refund before the season starts. As it stands, if AFC continue to say and do nothing then I won’t be attending the Euro game next week in protest. I will not attend any Scottish Cup games this year if nothing changes, as I wont fund the SFA, and I will decide on League Cup games once the SPFL make their position clear as at least they have said they will review their position in light of the Supreme Court decision.

Following the utterly depressing but predictable SFA statement, I’m finished with Scotland and wont attend anymore Hampden games as I refuse to put any more cash in the SFA and that utterly despicable c'unt Regan’s pockets. I’m afraid, like it or not, this is the only way we’re ever going to get justice here guys.

I’d also like to see us and the fans of every club start to hold a minutes applause, or some form of vocal demonstration, in the 14th minute of every game (14 for the number of titles and trophies the huns cheated to win during the EBT years) until such times and our clubs and the authorities act.

Enough is enough. We‘ve had to put up with the same club and “going for 55” pish for the last 5 years and its only going to get worse unless we and fans of all clubs act now.

As when the huns died, fan power is the only way to force action – and fan power has to involve hitting them in the pocket. Like it or not, its almost certain nothing will happen without this so its up to each and every one of us to decide whether we are happy with the status quo and forever being subservient to the cheeks, or if we want to see the club stand up, show some backbone and do what is right.

Good post, moaning and handing over money does not work. Starting with the threat of action, followed up by action should work. Thats my opinion, but still waiting on the ones that think it kills the club to give a softer more effective option.

Seems also that banners against the two biggest culprits in this (Dungcaster and Raghun) is naughty..... If its our club that ordered them to be taken down to effectivly silence us, I wonder what people will think.

Still look forward to hearing of these effective softer options.

[krakowdon]

I'll nae quote moog's post again, but agree 100%

Only difference is that I have not yet renewed for me and the loon, and won't do so unless the club does something meaningful.

V57 referenced the DST statement. I've tried looking up their website to see about joining up but just getting a blank page. Anybody know the score with that, or have other means of getting in touch?

[Stupie82]

I dont think its a coincidence that our home gates have dropped since the huns came back into the league. Who knows, maybe its the main reason why they did drop last season. Folk are scunnered and have known for a long time the game is corrupt. All yesterdays supreme court decision did was reaffirm to us, the clubs and governing bodies that it was in fact illegal.

The DST have done the right thing here, although the club have said they wont issue a statement on it. But why not? Why is the club just sitting back and letting this go? are they waiting for the SPFL decision? fat chance of those useless arseholes doing anything, especially when it would be like turkeys voting for Xmas. Pressure from the fans is the only way, its the ONLY thing that will ever work. I intend to voice my concerns in an email. It will contain no talk of rivalry or hatred for the blue half of Glasgow, but a sensible and structured email that voices my concerns. All i want is for the club to publically say its unacceptable and they want to see a suitable punishment. Again fat chance of that though.

[medw1311]

Where did you get those attendance figures Stupie, they dinna look right to me. No earthly way 16,742 was our lowest gate in 2014/15.

[Aldo1983]

The average home attendances don't look right either. About 5,000 top redz out.

[Landvetter83]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40536272

So that's us telt then? Back in our box we go?

[sheepcrooky]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40536272

So that's us telt then? Back in our box we go?

What a tool.

[Pacman1903]

Hes a deluded google eyed fannybaws

[mondo_notion]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40536272

So that's us telt then? Back in our box we go?

I like the last paragraph:

"As we rebuild the squad we are deliberately and transparently spending beyond our income.

"While I am chairman, Rangers' overspending will always be on a sustainable and robust basis and one that safeguards the future of our club."

Sounds to me like he is trying to put the hordes minds at rest after they didn't get quite as far as they had hoped in Europa.

[irnbru1903]

Utter drivel from the mouth of a very shady businessman at best and all so he can appear a hero to the hoards of unwashed that will lap up every word as gospel.

Cheating it is called and apparently they have learned nothing from the previous incarnation's demise by the admittance of blatant overspending. All the football authorities should be ashamed for allowing this. Financial fair play my arse.

[Landvetter83]

If someone were to make up a letter template advising the club that if they don't make a stance on this and pressure the SFA to take action then the sender will not be renewing/buying a season ticket, not attending any games this & NEXT season.

Several thousand emails letters stating this might be enough to force the clubs hand to do something. And if every club's fans done likewise forcing their club to do the same it might just be enough to make the SFA do something.

It worked before so it can work again!

Below is the text of a letter I sent to Duncan Fraser as a starter for ten. If he receives hundreds or thousands of letters like this HE will not be doing HIS job if he doesn't act on our behalf.

Duncan Fraser,
Aberdeen Football Club,
Pittodrie Street,
Aberdeen, AB24 5QH

Dear Mr Fraser,

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled on the HMRC vs Rangers EBT Tax dispute it is clear that Rangers FC did indulge in illegal tax evasion. The inference from this ruling, from a sporting perspective, is that they gained an unfair advantage over other teams by acquiring “players they would not otherwise have been able to afford”. In plain words everyone can understand - they cheated!

In your position as an office bearer of Aberdeen FC and a member of the Professional Football Board it is fair to say you are in a position of influence within Scottish football. Therefore, I, as a Scottish Football “customer” who attended football matches during this period, am requesting that you consider taking the following actions:

1. Propose “no-confidence” motions on Stewart Regan and Neil Doncaster as office bearers of their respective organisations. Their governance of Scottish football is totally compromised after this ruling. All of the events that have unfolded with respect to Rangers FC in the last 7 years have happened during their tenure and they have failed to provide the proper governance with respect to sporting integrity.
2. Propose that the Lord Nimmo Smith Commission ruling be declared void. There should be no need for a new commission - the Court of Session and Supreme Court have already made a decision that can be interpreted simply - they gained unfair sporting advantage by cheating.
3. Propose that an appropriate football penalty be imposed on Rangers FC. It’s worth noting that up until now no football penalty that I am aware of has been levied and paid as a result of Rangers’ mis-deeds. Under the 5-Way agreement from 2012 that allowed the new Rangers to regain access to the Scottish Football League; footballing liabilities transfer from Rangers FC to the new entity - Sevco Scotland Ltd - therefore the new club must be held to account.

The strength of my feeling on this matter is replicated in thousands of Aberdeen (and other clubs) fans and is not going to go away. Therefore, I ask that you to review Aberdeen FC’s position on this matter and have the courage to take the actions noted.

Yours sincerely .....

[Landvetter83]

By the way, I sent my letter as a pdf email attachment to Lynn Fiske. Lynn's title is "Supporter Liaison Officer". Her email address can be found on the "Contact Us" page of the AFC website.

Time to step up in that role, Lynn!

[Pacman1903]

I got a survey sent through from the Dons on why i havent renewed my season ticket. This was what i wrote for my reason...........

Up until the result of the Supreme Courts verdict on Rangers (1882-2012) and the illegal payments they made my official reason was laziness and I just hadn't got round to it. But.....

After hearing the deafening silence from the club in regards to the court ruling that the now out of buisiness Rangers FC illigitimatley won trophies(14 to be precise) this added to the astounding SFAs stance of no action, i.e title stripping of the now defunct club I really don't see why I should be putting my money into the Scottish game when corruption is clearly rife. We have effectively been told that cheaters will prosper in Scottish football. With the clubs silence on the matter it is apparent that they condone the acts of the defunct club and are not too interested in the fact that their fans paid their hard earned money during the years of cheating and were in all truth buying a ticket for an already drawn raffle. If the silence continues I for one will not be renewing and will most likely not return to Pittodrie or any other ground as the SFA are sweeping criminal activity and cheating under their ever lumpier carpet. With clubs taking the silent approach to this it tells us fans all we need to know where their clubs stand (barring Celtic). Any other country in world football would take action against a team that committed the disgusting acts carried out by a Rangers (1882-2012)

Is it fear of rocking the boat? If it is then it shows how far detached from the fans the clubs are as we want justice and we want it now. The clubs rocking the boat and demanding justice is exactly what is needed in these circumstances. It really should be 41 v 1 and the SFA. They should all b asking for justice and the resignation of Reagan and Doncaster and If nobody speaks up and excepts this bar one club then what is the point of Scottish football.

As a side note, the Dons Supporters Together statement has been well publicised so i dont believe for a second the club havent seen it and dont know their own fans feelings on this whole scandal yet decline to comment.