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Still never going to happen
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I hope so, for me Cormack is turning out to be as big a clunt as Milne.Originally posted by Jupiter View Post
I wouldnt trust him an inch.Comment
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The problem here is that the council has flashed its gusset to AFC and said come and build on our land and we'll help towards the cost as part of the beachfront masterplan. Thing is the council cannae build F all without it going way over budget because they know F all about building anything.
So AFC could end up paying a hell of alot more in the long run for a more inferior product by jumping into bed with this lot on the premise they thought they might get a good deal.
Personally I don't think the beach is a goer. It will get bogged down in a he'll of alot of planning objections and technically the foundations needed to build a stadium on the ground they are looking at would need to be very deep and that's expensive.Comment
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The longer we wait, the higher the building costs are likely to become. Timber, insulation, cement etc have all gone through the roof recently and labour costs are higher too as a consequence of Brexit. These factors, combined with our revenue limitations, mean that a new stadium may ultimately prove to be an impossibility.Comment
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Not being from the area, I’m not clued up on local issues. Is the plan to get the same folk doing up UTG, to do the stadium?Comment
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The Trainie Park?
We'd have to change our nickname from The Dons to The Dubs.Comment
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The main contractor on the Trainie Park refurb is Balfour Beattie. Maybe their website gives self-aggrandising details of their current projects?
The council administration in 2009 should have left the fully-funded Peacock Arts project to go ahead instead of collectively greasing their own orifices when Wood came calling with his poorly-disguised and woefully-underfunded land grab which was voted down by the initial referendum that year.
ACSEF - full of local professional capitalist committee-sitting running dogs, desperate to get their filthy thieving paws on a public asset. Shamesless, and fawned over by utter air-headed pricks like Kevin Stewart and Callum McCaig.
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Being close to 30 years awa fae the North East I'm nae au fait with the machinations and ramifications of the UTG cairry on, and I hinna yet investigated 57's links above.
But has our hapless, hun loving, PR wifie nae had her snout in about this particular trough at some point in proceedings?
Or a meringue?Comment
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Correct Sneckie. I think she did the PR for ACSEF, but, as I understand, she was just the mouthpiece for that cabal of robbing ****ers. I had a conversation with her when I cast my vote by phone on the initial, ignored ‘consultation’. Perfectly affable and appreciative of my view, but troubled by some of the verbal abuse she had received from others of the same view as me.
Guilt by association though.Comment
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….and raising huns. 😡Comment
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As I remember ir, the referendum of the citizens of Aberdeen approved the Wood Union terrace gardens proposal. It was when Labour won the council elections months later that Barney Crocket and Willie Young said they were withdrawing the result of the referendum. Nae long later they also withdrew the councils support for a community Stadium at the Beach, where Aberdeen would be the main tenants as it was too expensive.Originally posted by 57vintage View PostThe main contractor on the Trainie Park refurb is Balfour Beattie. Maybe their website gives self-aggrandising details of their current projects?
The council administration in 2009 should have left the fully-funded Peacock Arts project to go ahead instead of collectively greasing their own orifices when Wood came calling with his poorly-disguised and woefully-underfunded land grab which was voted down by the initial referendum that year.
ACSEF - full of local professional capitalist committee-sitting running dogs, desperate to get their filthy thieving paws on a public asset. Shamesless, and fawned over by utter air-headed pricks like Kevin Stewart and Callum McCaig.
https://www.itspublicknowledge.info/.../20120914.aspxComment
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The second referendum was held after ACSEF didn’t like the result of the 2009 one which said to leave the Gardens alone. How democratic.
The ‘get it right peasants’ second referendum was rigged, in that each side was limited to £8000 of expenditure in the campaign. Whilst ACSEF seems to have complied, individual business people funded a far more expensive campaign, via paid-for local radio ads, and a glossy brochure delivered to thousands of homes. These expenditures were not counted as part of campaign expenses. How democratic.
The ‘business (some say ‘basket’) case was utter nonsense. Wood’s £55m was £85m short of the £140m forecast cost. I think only a further £20m was pledged by the business community, waaay short of the target in Wood’s plan. Some commitment. The remainder was to be funded by Tax Incremental Funding ie extra income that was predicted to accrue due to an increase in companies desperate to invest in industrial estates in Dyce and elsewhere due to there being the attraction of a new block of concrete in Aberdeen city centre. Yes, really. Eventually, after years of FOI request denial, Salmond’s lot in Holyrood had to cave in and give details of the comparative, independently-judged TIF applications, with the go-ahead to be given to a limited number from across Scotland. The Aberdeen analysis showed that it was outside that Top * (too long ago to remember the exact detail, and it used to be on the first link I gave above which now seems to be showing something else, but I have a copy of the assessment table), and that, as I recall, a Falkirk bid was scored highest. THERE WAS NO BUSINESS CASE WHICH IS WHY OUR LOCAL CAPITALISTS AND PUBLIC TEAT-SUCKERS FAILED TO BACK IT WITH HARD CASH. That is why, on 22 September 2012, the Council voted against its progress as a viable project.
Bullet dodged.
The Herald FOI:
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13072428.foi-victory-aberdeen-project/
Our very own Stewart Milne went Tonto. At the time he owned the Triple Kirks site, and wanted to develop that as a commercial centre, with his eyes on the space under Wood’s slab as car parking for this development. Later on that day, after that democratic triumph over attempted land-grab and for which the city’s finances would be fiscally liable, the council told Cove huns that the lease they’d held for Calder Park in Nigg since 2000, would now be taken back by the council. They were due to have a new stadium on the site by September 2012. It was a key part of the Dons’ plans to build a ground at ‘the Foggy Dump’ as this site named it, due to the planning need for a second exit for emergencies which the Cove ‘plans’ would fulfil. The council now being the lessor meant that the club would need to negotiate directly with the council rather than heel-dragging Cove. The Dons stadium plans were already passed, and would not have been affected, but that didn’t stop Wiggy from flinging the toys out of his entitled pram.
That’s when Gallus79 came into his own, hinting that he had insider knowledge on this which he never expanded on, and he and his Milne-tainted brown nose disappeared later, unable to substantiate his self-important claim.
I’ve somehow managed to give the URL twice of the Guardian article written by Mike Shepherd who led the campaign against Wood’s nonsense, because I’m an idiot. Read it for the facts.
NaeMairNeeps will agree with most if not all of the above, since we were all involved, determined to prevent a theft, to the extent of a new online citizen journalism ‘publication’ being launched.
Last edited by 57vintage; 27-04-2022, 05:51 PM.Comment
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Merrying and raising the fu ckers.Originally posted by 57vintage View Post
That in itself should be a sacking offence.Comment
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This is the TIF application evaluation table that The Herald eventually received after delays and obstruction from the ever-transparent Salmond majority government. Bit of a kick in the ***ual parts for them again yesterday over legal advice given on the subject of a Referendum Bill planned* for 2023.
Check out the 53% overall evaluation, 4/10 score for Private Investment (ie no **** wanted to touch it), 4/10 for Economic impact (thus demolishing the entire Wood premise), and 12/20 for Financial Viability (if the Council ponied up as community centres, libraries and and swimming pools were closed). The Aberdeen bid is in 10th overall position, which sounds affa like this season at Pittodrie.
EPIC FAIL
* a rubber bone to the easily-pleased since pants are being shat at Holyrood at the thought of actually having to DO somethingComment
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