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    Lets face the facts-2 points from 30 tells us we are as good as relegated.I for one will not be dissapointed to go back to a proper league.What I will be dissapointed with is if we dont change the manager.
    The players put in a good shift last night but some of them are just not good enough for the PL.Collectively as a team I think we could have stood a chance at staying up with a different gaffer.We have some quality players.Broja, Edwards, Hannibal, Humphries,Dobravka and Walker are all good enough for the PL.The rest though are Championship at best.The recruitment has been terrible-bringing back players like JBL that were not good enough the first time around and others that barely shone in the Championship like Anthony,Flemming and Laurent.
    Josh Cullen being named as Captain is hardly an inspirational decision despite his work ethic and best intentions.Walker would have been my first and obvious choice.Not knowing your best starting eleven after 19 PL games is a symptom of these bad recruitment decisions (which are apparently based on a revolutionary AI system according to Pace & Co) but also bad management.
    Another bad recruitment decision was our famous set piece coach.Long throws that result in nothing.Corners that never produce goals.Free kicks that often are taken short and eventually go backwards.
    Scott Parker to be fair is a sympton of the problems at the club in my opinion.He was also an example of bad recruitment.Yes, he got us promoted on the back of a brilliant defence (which was subsequently disbanded down to poor decisions by the club)but his CV in the PL should have told Pace he would be out of his depth in the PL and a better manager was needed.
    Our forward play under Parker has NEVER been inspirational even against lower teams in the Championship.I think at Plymouth we scored a brace but that was about it.The defence that got us promoted was dismantled and players that were deemed not good enough for the Championship like Ekdal and Laurent are now in our starting eleven in the PL.
    I was never happy with the appointment of Parker and our performances even last season convinced me I was right.This season it has been a complete shambles since day one in the PL.The resolute defence has been replaced by one that now succeeds in leaking two goals in the first seven minutes and despite spending 100 million pounds we still look toothless going forward and little or no creativity in midfield.We now have a new LED lined tunnel but that is about the only thing that lights up Turf Moor.
    I doubt Parker will be sacked because I think Pace & Co. have realised their 5 year plan is not working and/or as money men they are no longer prepared or able to throw more debt at the project.BFC were projected to be an established mid table PL club by year 5 which is exactly December 2025.Their leveraged buyout of Espanyol does not bode well for BFC and it suggests the Yanks are losing interest in the project.
    On the surface of things its easy to blame Scott Parker and whilst he needs to shoulder some responsibility for the current situation I believe the problems at the club are fundamentally deeper.The people that chose Parker and kept him after promotion and were in charge of recruitment are the same people who recruited disastrously under VK after promotion.The same people who sacked the most successful manager in the clubs history with little or zero backing compaired to VK and SP.
    They have made us a yoyo club whilst ladening us with crippling debt in the process.2026 will be very interesting for BFC.If the manager is not replaced then the writing is on the wall and that will tell us a lot about the owners intentions.

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    Hard to argue with this appraisal my mate.

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    • #3
      I felt sorry for our supporters last night.On a cold night they turn up only for the result of the game to be decided in the first 7 minutes.
      Newcastle were very poor overall which gave us a chance to get back in it and we scored in the latter stages of the first half.As a spectacle it was a decent game to watch but mainly because of the number of basic mistakes made by both teams.It was hardly a surprise
      when a complete cock-up by Dubravka and Ekdal led to their 3rd Goal.

      I doubt that the Club will react with regard to the transfer window or the Manager's position and we will be relegated at the end of the
      season.There will have to be cost cuts and some players will leave and I worry about the future of the Club.Are the board really
      interested in the long term future of the Club?

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      • #4
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        • #5
          On the surface of things its easy to blame Scott Parker and whilst he needs to shoulder some responsibility for the current situation I believe the problems at the club are fundamentally deeper.The people that chose Parker and kept him after promotion and were in charge of recruitment are the same people who recruited

          Thing is CIB I’d agree with this but On another thread the questions I asked re squad positions - formations and squad selections are all
          Parker’s remit. Which he simply isn’t up to

          He can dress it up however he likes but we make the same mistakes regarding all the points above and we’re 19 games in.

          We’re back to the definition of insanity - the same failings over and over and over again.

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          • #6
            I edited CiB's post and placed it on the Clarets Mad Group Facebook page.

            The opinions generated are pfhucking awesome. Good work CiB - keep it up!

            This morning, I received this missive from an exiled Clarets fan who resides in Budapest. It’s a long rant but says what I believe a lot of us are thinking.
            Claret in Budapest writes:
            Let’s face the facts, 2 points from a possible 30 tells us we are as good as relegated. I for one will not be disappointed to go back to a proper league. What I will be disappointed with is if we don’t change the manager.
            The players put in a good shift last night but some of them are just not good enough for the PL. Collectively as a team I think we could have stood a chance at staying up with a different gaffer. We do have some quality players, Broja, Edwards, Hannibal, Humphreys, Dubravka and Walker are all good enough for the PL. The rest though are Championship at best.
            The recruitment has been terrible bringing back players like JBL that were not good enough the first time around and others that barely shone in the Championship like Anthony, Flemming and Laurent. Josh Cullen being named as Captain is hardly an inspirational decision despite his work ethic and best intentions, Walker would have been my first and obvious choice.
            Not knowing your best starting eleven after 19 PL games is a symptom of these bad recruitment decisions (which are apparently based on a revolutionary AI system according to Pace & Co) but also bad management.
            Another bad recruitment decision was our famous set piece coach. Long throws that result in nothing. Corners that never produce goals. Free kicks that often are taken short and eventually go backwards.
            Scott Parker to be fair is a symptom of the problems at the club in my opinion, he was also an example of bad recruitment. Yes, he got us promoted on the back of a brilliant defence (which was subsequently disbanded down to poor decisions by the club) but his CV in the PL should have told Pace he would be out of his depth in the PL and a better manager was needed.
            Our forward play under Parker has NEVER been inspirational even against lower teams in the Championship. I think at Plymouth we scored a brace but that was about it. The defence that got us promoted was dismantled and players that were deemed not good enough for the Championship like Ekdal and Laurent are now in our starting eleven in the PL.
            I was never happy with the appointment of Parker, and our performances even last season convinced me I was right. This season it has been a complete shambles since day one in the EPL. The former resolute defence has been replaced by one that now succeeds in leaking two goals in the first seven minutes and despite spending 100 million pounds we still look toothless going forward and little or no creativity in midfield.
            We now have a new LED lined tunnel but that is about the only thing that lights up Turf Moor.
            I doubt Parker will be sacked because I think Pace & Co. have realised their 5-year plan is not working and/or as money men they are no longer prepared or able to throw more debt at the project. BFC were projected to be an established mid table PL club by year 5 which is exactly December 2025.
            Their leveraged buyout of Espanyol does not bode well for Burnley Football Club, and it suggests the Yanks are losing interest in the project.
            On the surface of things, it’s easy to blame Scott Parker and whilst he needs to shoulder some responsibility for the current situation, I believe the problems at the club are fundamentally deeper. The people that chose Parker and kept him after promotion and were in charge of recruitment are the same people who recruited disastrously under Vincent Kompany after promotion.
            The same people who sacked the second most successful manager in the club's history with little or zero backing compared to Kompany and Parker.
            They have made us a yoyo club whilst ladening us with crippling debt in the process. 2026 will be very interesting for BFC. If the manager is not replaced then the writing is on the wall and that will tell us a lot about the owners intentions.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
              I edited CiB's post and placed it on the Clarets Mad Group Facebook page.

              The opinions generated are pfhucking awesome. Good work CiB - keep it up!

              This morning, I received this missive from an exiled Clarets fan who resides in Budapest. It?s a long rant but says what I believe a lot of us are thinking.
              Claret in Budapest writes:
              Let?s face the facts, 2 points from a possible 30 tells us we are as good as relegated. I for one will not be disappointed to go back to a proper league. What I will be disappointed with is if we don?t change the manager.
              The players put in a good shift last night but some of them are just not good enough for the PL. Collectively as a team I think we could have stood a chance at staying up with a different gaffer. We do have some quality players, Broja, Edwards, Hannibal, Humphreys, Dubravka and Walker are all good enough for the PL. The rest though are Championship at best.
              The recruitment has been terrible bringing back players like JBL that were not good enough the first time around and others that barely shone in the Championship like Anthony, Flemming and Laurent. Josh Cullen being named as Captain is hardly an inspirational decision despite his work ethic and best intentions, Walker would have been my first and obvious choice.
              Not knowing your best starting eleven after 19 PL games is a symptom of these bad recruitment decisions (which are apparently based on a revolutionary AI system according to Pace & Co) but also bad management.
              Another bad recruitment decision was our famous set piece coach. Long throws that result in nothing. Corners that never produce goals. Free kicks that often are taken short and eventually go backwards.
              Scott Parker to be fair is a symptom of the problems at the club in my opinion, he was also an example of bad recruitment. Yes, he got us promoted on the back of a brilliant defence (which was subsequently disbanded down to poor decisions by the club) but his CV in the PL should have told Pace he would be out of his depth in the PL and a better manager was needed.
              Our forward play under Parker has NEVER been inspirational even against lower teams in the Championship. I think at Plymouth we scored a brace but that was about it. The defence that got us promoted was dismantled and players that were deemed not good enough for the Championship like Ekdal and Laurent are now in our starting eleven in the PL.
              I was never happy with the appointment of Parker, and our performances even last season convinced me I was right. This season it has been a complete shambles since day one in the EPL. The former resolute defence has been replaced by one that now succeeds in leaking two goals in the first seven minutes and despite spending 100 million pounds we still look toothless going forward and little or no creativity in midfield.
              We now have a new LED lined tunnel but that is about the only thing that lights up Turf Moor.
              I doubt Parker will be sacked because I think Pace & Co. have realised their 5-year plan is not working and/or as money men they are no longer prepared or able to throw more debt at the project. BFC were projected to be an established mid table PL club by year 5 which is exactly December 2025.
              Their leveraged buyout of Espanyol does not bode well for Burnley Football Club, and it suggests the Yanks are losing interest in the project.
              On the surface of things, it?s easy to blame Scott Parker and whilst he needs to shoulder some responsibility for the current situation, I believe the problems at the club are fundamentally deeper. The people that chose Parker and kept him after promotion and were in charge of recruitment are the same people who recruited disastrously under Vincent Kompany after promotion.
              The same people who sacked the second most successful manager in the club's history with little or zero backing compared to Kompany and Parker.
              They have made us a yoyo club whilst ladening us with crippling debt in the process. 2026 will be very interesting for BFC. If the manager is not replaced then the writing is on the wall and that will tell us a lot about the owners intentions.
              Just my humble opinion BT and it probably differs from many other peoples opinions.That is the way I see it objectively from 1600 miles away.

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              • #8
                It's all about opinions my mate and you are certainly entitled to yours.

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                • #9
                  Just been through the list of played games and worked out the points we should have had,which is 23pts.. We have managed to throw away 11pts though mistakes ,bad VAR decisions and that's being very lenient as we could have thrown more pts away than that.. We have never been outplayed apart from a couple of matches and look every bit a match to the teams in the bottom half of the table. Maybe our luck will start to change soon and we can get some better results.
                  I still haven't given up hope of the great escape yet.. Maybe im becoming delusional but we are definitely a better team than the table suggests..

                  HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM "OPTIMISIC ALFIE"

                  KTF.. 👍

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                  • #10
                    You know I go to most matches Alfie and with the exception against City where we switched off the "concentration button" after 70 minutes we are always competitive.

                    We have to stop conceding stupidly unnecessary goals and try and get on the front foot and stay there.

                    I just don't think Parker is a good enough coach to do that and consequently we will be relegated.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alfinyalcabo View Post
                      Just been through the list of played games and worked out the points we should have had,which is 23pts.. We have managed to throw away 11pts though mistakes ,bad VAR decisions and that's being very lenient as we could have thrown more pts away than that.. We have never been outplayed apart from a couple of matches and look every bit a match to the teams in the bottom half of the table. Maybe our luck will start to change soon and we can get some better results.
                      I still haven't given up hope of the great escape yet.. Maybe im becoming delusional but we are definitely a better team than the table suggests..

                      HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM "OPTIMISIC ALFIE"

                      KTF.. 👍
                      Luck doesn't come into it, over 40 games its swings and roundabouts. Parker is being outwitted by better coaches week in and out, most of the fans can see but not our Yankee doodle dandy owners.

                      We look destined to be playing championship football next season and once again the team will have to go through a rebuild.
                      Florintin, Ugochuku, Walker and Hartman will be off and Cullen won't be fit until 2027.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by army88 View Post
                        On the surface of things its easy to blame Scott Parker and whilst he needs to shoulder some responsibility for the current situation I believe the problems at the club are fundamentally deeper.The people that chose Parker and kept him after promotion and were in charge of recruitment are the same people who recruited

                        Thing is CIB I’d agree with this but On another thread the questions I asked re squad positions - formations and squad selections are all
                        Parker’s remit. Which he simply isn’t up to

                        He can dress it up however he likes but we make the same mistakes regarding all the points above and we’re 19 games in.

                        We’re back to the definition of insanity - the same failings over and over and over again.
                        Like I stated Army, Cardy is partly-and arguably largely-responsible for our current situation but who stuck with Parker knowing his history in the PL and who disbanded the successful defence we had either through choice or bad contract decisions.It will be another clean out come the end of the season and rinse/repeat.I am simply stating that the problems run deeper than SP.
                        We are aruably now on our second failed attempt at staying in the PL whereas Sunderland who have not been in the PL for 15 years and barely scraped through the play-offs have much better recruitment than us and a manager who knows how to grind out results in the PL despite no previous experience in this league unlike Cardy.

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                        • #13
                          Sunderland - 26 points behind us last season, and 16 in front of us right now, giving as good as they are getting, against Manchester City right now.
                          There is something wrong with this situation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by malwayne View Post
                            Sunderland - 26 points behind us last season, and 16 in front of us right now, giving as good as they are getting, against Manchester City right now.
                            There is something wrong with this situation.
                            The Black Cats play with conviction and without fear, we don't Mal, it really is that simple. Off the top of my head I cannot think of one player who is at Sunderland I would want at Turf Moor.

                            UTC#

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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE=The Bedlington Terrier;40785792]The Black Cats play with conviction and without fear, we don't Mal, it really is that simple. Off the top of my head I cannot think of one player who is at Sunderland I would want at Turf Moor.
                              That’s because you’d want the whole team, not just one of them !!

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