Political Thread in memory of David Reid. (R.I.P.)

[sinkov]

"Pensioners to lose £1,260 a year under Labour"

Feck 'em the miserable old gits, let 'em freeze, we need the money from somewhere to pay for illegals, the feckless and the workshy, let's take it off the mugs that's worked hard all their lives and saved for their old age.

Didn't take long for them to break their promises did it. Tory and Labour, two cheeks of the same arse.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"Pensioners to lose £1,260 a year under Labour"

Feck 'em the miserable old gits, let 'em freeze, we need the money from somewhere to pay for illegals, the feckless and the workshy, let's take it off the mugs that's worked hard all their lives and saved for their old age.

Didn't take long for them to break their promises did it. Tory and Labour, two cheeks of the same arse.

We have about 10 million pensioners in this country mon ami, let's get real only about 20% of that number really NEED that winter fuel allowance (WFA) and they will get it.

Serious savers like thee & me that have looked after our shekels only use the WFA to stock up on Malt Whiskey. We will survive, if you can't I'll get the missus to knit you a cardy.

Reeves will sort out the Tory debacle and no mistake. Benefit fraudsters and non-contributors are next for the chop and I'm loving it.

[Supersub6]

Pensioners who need the money will receive the winter payments. People who can afford to go on cruises to escape the winter hiatus won't. Seems more than fair to me.

People who can afford to go on cruises were giving it to service charities anyway because Veterans do not get the help that they should, in fact, they are persecuted more often than not whilst lots of criminals are free to roam around this earth because of a certain 'Peace Agreement' that a certain Labour Prime Minister regularly boasts about along with his quest to make Britain a multicultural society by opening the doors to anyone who could pay to get on a dinghy to get here.

You have also ignored the number of pensioners who have had to return to work just to make ends meet and for whom the payment was becoming more of a necessity because they do not qualify for Pension Credit. They found work and are now paying tax to help fund the payment of winter payments to others as well as funding pay rises for millions in the public sector.
The claim was that 'We will not do anything to affect the working class' ---they forgot to add -----'unless they are pensioners who have had to return to work to afford things'
I first voted in March 1966, came from a very socialist family, however, any belief I had in politics disappeared many years ago thanks to the self-interest of too many politicians. This self-interest will continue no matter who rules the roost.
Twenty four days ago we were being promised 'Utopia' now we are seeing 50 more immigrants arriving each day than up to the end of June because they obviously believe that they will be well looked after when Labour process them within days of arrival.

Lies and more lies and all believed by the gullible.

[sinkov]

We have about 10 million pensioners in this country mon ami, let's get real only about 20% of that number really NEED that winter fuel allowance (WFA) and they will get it.

Serious savers like thee & me that have looked after our shekels only use the WFA to stock up on Malt Whiskey. We will survive, if you can't I'll get the missus to knit you a cardy.

Reeves will sort out the Tory debacle and no mistake. Benefit fraudsters and non-contributors are next for the chop and I'm loving it.

Actually mon ami, I agree with you, I don't need it, you don't need it, ffs even millionaires were getting it, it is/was lunacy, but that's not the point. Just a few months ago Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasurer, Darren Jones MP wrote on behalf of pensioners to the Chancellor,

"The Paymaster General has suggested stripping some older people of the Winter Fuel Payment. I’ve written to the Chancellor asking him to clarify whether he is considering this for the Autumn Statement. Pensioners mustn’t be forced to bear the brunt of Tory economic failure."


So all those pensioners who voted Labour thinking they would not be asked to bear the brunt of Tory economic failure now find they are, they've been conned by a set of lying ****s. Still I've no sympathy for them, if you're dumb enough to vote Labour you're asking for all you get.

But what else have they been lying about, what's the next promise thrown onto the bonfire ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Actually mon ami, I agree with you, I don't need it, you don't need it, ffs even millionaires were getting it, it is/was lunacy, but that's not the point. Just a few months ago Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasurer, Darren Jones MP wrote on behalf of pensioners to the Chancellor,

"The Paymaster General has suggested stripping some older people of the Winter Fuel Payment. I’ve written to the Chancellor asking him to clarify whether he is considering this for the Autumn Statement. Pensioners mustn’t be forced to bear the brunt of Tory economic failure."


So all those pensioners who voted Labour thinking they would not be asked to bear the brunt of Tory economic failure now find they are, they've been conned by a set of lying ****s. Still I've no sympathy for them, if you're dumb enough to vote Labour you're asking for all you get.

But what else have they been lying about, what's the next promise thrown onto the bonfire ?

I suppose when the lovely Ms Reeves opened Pandora's box and discovered a great source of unexpected troubles she had to react. She has and I applaud her for it.

[wanderlust]

The Labour U Turns are coming already, Winter Fuel Payments being scrapped unless you're on benefits. Recently Labour demanded the Tories didn't scrap them, pensioners shouldn't have to pay for the Tories incompetence they said, Reeves herself said they wouldn't be scrapped, but now Labour are scrapping them when fuel costs are at an all time high. Strangely this news is hard to find in the Grauniad, one little piece hidden away says they are being scrapped for 'some pensioners', those 'some pensioners' number ten million.

Old folk thrown under the bus by Labour, who's next ?

You mean well off old pensioners who don't need the winter payment thrown under the bus, surely? Always irked me that folk with £40k a year private pension were getting paid. Anyone who can't afford the additional fuel cost can apply to be means tested so in fact nobody who needs it is losing out.

If they are going to fill the £20 billion Tory financial black hole with something, it might as well be that for starters.

[sinkov]

You mean well off old pensioners who don't need the winter payment thrown under the bus, surely? Always irked me that folk with £40k a year private pension were getting paid. Anyone who can't afford the additional fuel cost can apply to be means tested so in fact nobody who needs it is losing out.

If they are going to fill the £20 billion Tory financial black hole with something, it might as well be that for starters.

I gave my views on the winter fuel payments in Post 229, they're not dissimilar to yours, but it was Labour who introduced these payments in 1997, so they were paying millionaires this money for 13 years up to 2010, since when they have always kicked up **** whenever a Tory government has proposed stopping them. Now they're stopping them within weeks of taking office after promising not to. Hypocrites or just liars ?

As for the fantasy £22 billion black hole in the public finances, 'Reeves cannot claim complete ignorance about the spending pressures and said herself during the campaign that the existence of the independent Office for Budget Responsibility meant it was not necessary to win an election to find out about the state of public finances.' But now she says she didn't know, was she lying then, or is she lying now ? Does it really matter ? Labour, Tories, two cheeks of the same arse.

[Supersub6]

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As for the fantasy £22 billion black hole in the public finances, 'Reeves cannot claim complete ignorance about the spending pressures and said herself during the campaign that the existence of the independent Office for Budget Responsibility meant it was not necessary to win an election to find out about the state of public finances.' But now she says she didn't know, was she lying then, or is she lying now ? Does it really matter ? Labour, Tories, two cheeks of the same arse.

How very true sinkov, and just who is getting crapped on as usual? Oh yes, Joe Public who can do absolutely nothing about it.
Never mind ------Utopia is just around the corner.

[sinkov]

How very true sinkov, and just who is getting crapped on as usual? Oh yes, Joe Public who can do absolutely nothing about it.
Never mind ------Utopia is just around the corner.

It's very odd Sub, some people have spent 14 years whingeing about Joe Public being shat upon by Tories, when Labour sh1ts on Joe Public, they don't seem to mind, indeed they even defend them. Very odd.

[sinkov]

Here we go, Life under Labour. FFS.

"Labour has axed plans to reopen dozens of railway lines and stations closed during the 1960s Beeching cuts."

"The closure of the £500m Restoring Your Railway fund, announced by Rachel Reeves on Monday, leaves the future of projects across England and Wales hanging in the balance in a blow to small-town Britain. The fund was established in 2020 as part of Boris Johnson’s “levelling up” agenda and has so far helped finance the reopening or near reopening of two lines and six stations. A dozen more projects are at an advanced stage and 20 others have received some funding. Briefing notes issued following the Chancellor’s speech, in which she claimed that Labour had inherited a £22bn hole in the public finances from the Tories, suggest that scrapping the Restoring Your Railway programme will save £76m next year. RailFuture, which campaigns for better passenger and freight services and has 20,000 members, said Ms Reeves’ intervention was “shortsighted” and at odds with Labour’s aim of putting infrastructure and construction at the heart of plans to revive the economy."

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I'd just like to have a reliable, on-time, seats reserved method of catching a train from Wigan North Western to Euston or go up the road to Glasgow. Right now I don't give a flying pfhuck about catching a train from Clitheroe to Burnsall or Skipton. Let's sort out the main lines first.

[outwoodclaret]

I'd just like to have a reliable, on-time, seats reserved method of catching a train from Wigan North Western to Euston or go up the road to Glasgow. Right now I don't give a flying pfhuck about catching a train from Clitheroe to Burnsall or Skipton. Let's sort out the main lines first.

Not sure I agree with you on this one BT. By far the biggest improvement in local transport since I moved to Radcliffe in early 1991 has been the introduction and subsequent spread of Metrolink much of it on either existing or restored rail links.

[sinkov]

Not sure I agree with you on this one BT. By far the biggest improvement in local transport since I moved to Radcliffe in early 1991 has been the introduction and subsequent spread of Metrolink much of it on either existing or restored rail links.

Numerous plans to get traffic off the roads and onto rail are now to be scrapped, to 'save' a trivial sum, investment that would pay for itself and improve the struggling transport infrastructure, all to be dumped. Welcome to life under Labour.

[sinkov]

"Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh killed in Iran"

Like I said, dead men walking.

[ballcock]

Numerous plans to get traffic off the roads and onto rail are now to be scrapped, to 'save' a trivial sum, investment that would pay for itself and improve the struggling transport infrastructure, all to be dumped. Welcome to life under Labour.

Labour are full of sh!t has we all know.

If anyother political party had have made any kind of cuts to the transport infrastructure, these clowns would have been up in arms
All this is to facilitate Millibands net zero fantasy project, that will bankrupt the country and send us all to the poor house

The next thing will be Labours obsession with getting everyone on welfare benefits, its already started with means testing fuel allowances to pensioners. What will be the incentive to work when the idle, irresponsible and feckless get paid to sit at home. Welcome back to the bunny boiler generation created by Blair and killed by Cameron. Free, state paid for 2bed house/flat for a 16 year old getting banged up. Ffs, not to mention kids even younger encouraged by their parents to get pregnant for additional benefits