Political Thread in memory of David Reid. (R.I.P.)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Not mine mon ami, I love it when the Loony Left gets schooled and start throwing their toys out of the pram. Carry on Mr Robus, you're doing a fine job, very informative and educational posts.

Give or take a head or two and a global population of 7 billion of which 2 billion are Muslims, who in their right head thinks 16 million Jews are going to be safe after incarcerating, bombing and slaughtering tens of thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood in the world's largest open air concentration camp. Get real guys.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Jesus wept, the Balfour Declaration was 107 years ago, how long do these feckers need to sort their affairs out ?

The Palestinians will never forgive the Nakba of 1948 and the Jews are still stealing their land right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Something will have to give somewhere, but what has always amazed me is the lack of support the Palestinians get from the Arab States, I suppose they are just all scared to death of the Star Wars military capability of US backed Israel.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

And on it goes, "Five Palestinians were killed in an Israeli strike on the Nur Shams refugee camp in the West Bank on Monday, the Palestinian health ministry said in a statement.

The official Palestinian news agency, Wafa, said four loud explosions were heard after an Israeli drone targeted a house in the camp in the West Bank city of Tulkarm. Israel has not immediately commented." What's new?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

When the wrath of Allah rains down on the Jews let's recall these moments:

Israel's hardline Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir repeated a call for Jews to be allowed to pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, drawing sharp criticism for inflaming tensions as ceasefire negotiators seek a deal to halt fighting in Gaza.

"The policy at the Temple Mount allows praying there. Period," Ben-Gvir told an Army Radio interviewer. "The prime minister knew when I joined the government there would not be any discrimination. Muslims are allowed to pray and a Jew is not allowed to pray?"

Asked if he would build a synagogue on the site if he could, Ben-Gvir replied "Yes, Yes".

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office immediately put out a statement restating the official Israeli position, which accepts decades-old rules restricting non-Muslim prayer at the mosque compound, known as Temple Mount to Jews, who revere it as the site of two ancient temples.

"There is no change to the status quo on the Temple Mount," Netanyahu's office said.

The hillside compound, in Jerusalem's Old City, is one of the most sensitive locations in the Middle East, holy for both Muslims and Jews, and the trigger for repeated conflict.

Related video: Israel's Far-right Minister Ben-Gvir Stirs Controversy, Proposes Building Synagogue In Al Aqsa (The Times of India)
The Times of India
Israel's Far-right Minister Ben-Gvir Stirs Controversy, Proposes Building Synagogue In Al Aqsa

Nabil Abu Rudeineh, spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said calls to tamper with the status of Al-Aqsa appeared intended "to drag the region into a religious war that will burn everyone".

[Robus]

The Palestinians will never forgive the Nakba of 1948 and the Jews are still stealing their land right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Something will have to give somewhere, but what has always amazed me is the lack of support the Palestinians get from the Arab States, I suppose they are just all scared to death of the Star Wars military capability of US backed Israel.

"Nakba" has become code for "the creation of Israel." Palestinians will not "forgive" is the existence of Israel. The mainstream position among Palestinians is that Israel must cease to exist, and the Jews must leave.

The slogan is true: If the Palestinians stopped fighting, there would be peace; if Israel stopped fighting, there would be a Holocaust.

[ballcock]

"Nakba" has become code for "the creation of Israel." Palestinians will not "forgive" is the existence of Israel. The mainstream position among Palestinians is that Israel must cease to exist, and the Jews must leave.

The slogan is true: If the Palestinians stopped fighting, there would be peace; if Israel stopped fighting, there would be a Holocaust.

Hear bloody hear.

That is why you can't blame Israel for bombing the sh!t out of those animals

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Hear bloody hear.

That is why you can't blame Israel for bombing the sh!t out of those animals

Exactly what Adolf Hitler and Josef Goebbels said about the Jews. Funny how karma keeps on coming around ballcock.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Hear bloody hear.

That is why you can't blame Israel for bombing the sh!t out of those animals

They are only "animals" after all.

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/cemeteries-of-numbers-israel-holds-552-bodies-including-dozens-of-children/

[outwoodclaret]

I think we are living in a broken society where shoplifting knife crime drug taking scamming and general lawlessness are endemic. Labour and Conservative (it doesn’t matter which of them are in power) have presided over forty years of decline and neither seem to have the wit or the policies to reverse that downward trend. Sir Keir put himself before the electorate as the man to change everything. Early days in his administration I know but does anyone genuinely believe this Labour administration is going to change anything?

[Swissclaret]

I think we are living in a broken society where shoplifting knife crime drug taking scamming and general lawlessness are endemic. Labour and Conservative (it doesn’t matter which of them are in power) have presided over forty years of decline and neither seem to have the wit or the policies to reverse that downward trend. Sir Keir put himself before the electorate as the man to change everything. Early days in his administration I know but does anyone genuinely believe this Labour administration is going to change anything?

There is no doubt that Britain has serious problems.

It may be apocryphal but Confucius is believed to have said “If you want to know the future, look at the past”.

A useful parallel from the past is the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. There are many causes but many agree that major contributors were internal corruption, outside invasion, over - reliance on slave (cheap) labour, economic problems, overspending by rulers.

Rulers, military and politicians became more concerned with protecting their positions than what was good for the Empire.

Ring any bells in the context of Britain?

[outwoodclaret]

There is no doubt that Britain has serious problems.

It may be apocryphal but Confucius is believed to have said “If you want to know the future, look at the past”.

A useful parallel from the past is the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. There are many causes but many agree that major contributors were internal corruption, outside invasion, over - reliance on slave (cheap) labour, economic problems, overspending by rulers.

Rulers, military and politicians became more concerned with protecting their positions than what was good for the Empire.

Ring any bells in the context of Britain?

Starmer blames it all on the previous Government. Well he would wouldn’t he but it goes deeper than that. Even a snake oil salesmen could spot it.

In a speech in the Downing Street rose garden on Tuesday, the PM said the riots "revealed a deeply unhealthy society... weakened by a decade of division and decline, infected by a spiral of populism which fed off cycles of failure of the last government".

[Swissclaret]

Starmer blames it all on the previous Government. Well he would wouldn’t he but it goes deeper than that. Even a snake oil salesmen could spot it.

In a speech in the Downing Street rose garden on Tuesday, the PM said the riots "revealed a deeply unhealthy society... weakened by a decade of division and decline, infected by a spiral of populism which fed off cycles of failure of the last government".

I agree Outwood. It is too easy to blame a previous Government. Oldest trick in the book.

The problems run much deeper than that. None are an overnight phenomenem. The problems are also multi-faceted, which makes it even more difficult to analyse.

Two areas that stand out for me are the decline in the family unit and the move to amorality.

In the case of the former, my family were a typical working class family. However they had an ethic of working hard, being honest, living within their means, together with a sense of family pride. When I got into any trouble (not too frequently) I was in worse trouble when I got home because I had breached the family’s code of behaviour. Although my parents divorced they both still maintained that position. Being a single parent family is not an excuse.

In the case of the latter, I was raised as a Catholic but my grandparents were Protestant (CofE). Despite the religious differences they were Christians and shared a code of morality. Incidentally, this code is shared by many religions and peoples. I was raised, probably like many on here, to respect that. Whilst many in Britain for religious or societal reasons follow that code, too many are being brought up in ignorance of that code. Worse still, they look to the State to provide the ethics and boundaries.

Therein lies a massive problem when one looks at how the State, and especially politicians behave. Their behaviour, both privately and publicly over many years has impacted society.

[Swissclaret]

Starmer blames it all on the previous Government. Well he would wouldn’t he but it goes deeper than that. Even a snake oil salesmen could spot it.

In a speech in the Downing Street rose garden on Tuesday, the PM said the riots "revealed a deeply unhealthy society... weakened by a decade of division and decline, infected by a spiral of populism which fed off cycles of failure of the last government".

Sorry to go on about this but Starmer needs to be challenged on his rhetoric.

What “division” is he talking about?

What “decline” is he talking about?

What does he mean by “populism”?

What “cycles of failure” is he referring to?


It is rather typical political rhetoric - it sounds good to the “sound-bite” supporters but what does he actually mean and, more importantly, what is the government going to do. It is the future that is important, not the past.

[outwoodclaret]

Sorry to go on about this but Starmer needs to be challenged on his rhetoric.

What “division” is he talking about?

What “decline” is he talking about?

What does he mean by “populism”?

What “cycles of failure” is he referring to?


It is rather typical political rhetoric - it sounds good to the “sound-bite” supporters but what does he actually mean and, more importantly, what is the government going to do. It is the future that is important, not the past.

I am not quite sure that taking winter fuel benefit away from many pensioners or banning smoking in pub gardens is going to reverse that decline any time soon. Kier needs some better big ideas.

[Supersub6]

I agree Outwood. It is too easy to blame a previous Government. Oldest trick in the book.

The problems run much deeper than that. None are an overnight phenomenem. The problems are also multi-faceted, which makes it even more difficult to analyse.

Two areas that stand out for me are the decline in the family unit and the move to amorality.

In the case of the former, my family were a typical working class family. However they had an ethic of working hard, being honest, living within their means, together with a sense of family pride. When I got into any trouble (not too frequently) I was in worse trouble when I got home because I had breached the family’s code of behaviour. Although my parents divorced they both still maintained that position. Being a single parent family is not an excuse.

In the case of the latter, I was raised as a Catholic but my grandparents were Protestant (CofE). Despite the religious differences they were Christians and shared a code of morality. Incidentally, this code is shared by many religions and peoples. I was raised, probably like many on here, to respect that. Whilst many in Britain for religious or societal reasons follow that code, too many are being brought up in ignorance of that code. Worse still, they look to the State to provide the ethics and boundaries.

Therein lies a massive problem when one looks at how the State, and especially politicians behave. Their behaviour, both privately and publicly over many years has impacted society.

Swiss-- such a lot of what you have posted follows much of my own upbringing and, I am sure that you will agree, you were obviously taught to have self-respect and to have respect for others in whatever you did.

Sadly, because of the breakdown of so many areas of community, there are too many young people who do not have self-respect and, consequently, they have no respect for anything or anybody and think that they can just do as they please ----and they do.
Sadly, the number is increasing on a daily business and quite a number of these people have ended up in responsible positions, both in the government and in ordinary life, however, they are unable to cope and this certainly impacts on society and there is not one sign that things will improve in my lifetime.