Political Thread in memory of David Reid. (R.I.P.)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

There are reports in The Times and the Torygraph that the mad Mullahs are speaking to Russia about safe asylum.

Typical of such scum - their people can be bombed and left to rot as long as they are safe. As Hamas has demonstrated many times, innocent people are merely expendable shields for them to hide behind.

Talking about scum S.c. What sort of scum puts down sniper fire on innocent people waiting in line to receive food aid?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A little lesson in history...

In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran’s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran’s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh’s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called “free world” was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah—an autocratic monarch—was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran’s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It’s not a stretch to say that the roots of today’s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of “rogue states.” We’re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to “our” interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government’s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before “fake news” became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud “why do they hate us?”, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran’s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It’s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests—when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order—it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It’s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It’s about recognizing that the seeds of today’s conflicts were planted by yesterday’s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953—and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past. - Tim Hjersted | Films For Action

[sinkov]

There are reports in The Times and the Torygraph that the mad Mullahs are speaking to Russia about safe asylum.

Typical of such scum - their people can be bombed and left to rot as long as they are safe. As Hamas has demonstrated many times, innocent people are merely expendable shields for them to hide behind.

See Post 1740 Swiss, their families were being flown out two nights ago. No one knew where the planes were heading but the thinking was either Pakistan or Moscow.

[sinkov]

A little lesson in history...

In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran’s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran’s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh’s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called “free world” was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah—an autocratic monarch—was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran’s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It’s not a stretch to say that the roots of today’s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of “rogue states.” We’re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to “our” interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government’s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before “fake news” became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud “why do they hate us?”, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran’s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It’s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests—when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order—it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It’s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It’s about recognizing that the seeds of today’s conflicts were planted by yesterday’s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953—and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past. - Tim Hjersted | Films For Action

A bit simplistic, history for Iran did not start in 1953 with the nationalisation of their oil industry. Their history goes back 6,000 years, it is one of the world's oldest major civilisations, they have been invaded more times than I've had hot dinners. The events of 1953 are but a mere footnote in their history, hardly worth getting all hot and bothered about.

[sinkov]

A little lesson in history...

In 1953, Iran had a democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mossadegh, who committed what, in the eyes of the British Empire and the United States, was an unforgivable sin: he nationalized Iran?s oil industry.
For decades, British Petroleum (then the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company) had extracted Iran?s wealth, leaving the Iranian people with little to show for it. Mossadegh?s move was a bid for sovereignty, dignity, and the right of a nation to control its own resources. The response from the so-called ?free world? was swift and brutal: a joint CIA-MI6 operation, code-named Operation Ajax, orchestrated a coup to overthrow Mossadegh, using black propaganda, bribed politicians, manufactured riots, and false flag attacks to create chaos and justify intervention. Hundreds died in the streets of Tehran as the Shah?an autocratic monarch?was reinstalled with American and British backing.
This single act of imperial violence shattered Iran?s democracy and set the stage for everything that followed: decades of dictatorship under the authoritarian Shah, the rise of the secret police (trained and armed by the CIA), the deepening of anti-Western sentiment, and ultimately the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It?s not a stretch to say that the roots of today?s tensions, the cycles of violence, and the specter of war all trace back to this original sin. The aftershocks of that coup are still being felt, not only in Iran, but across the entire Middle East.
Yet, in the American imagination, history often starts with the hostage crisis, or with the latest missile launch, or with the rhetoric of ?rogue states.? We?re taught to see Iran as an irrational enemy, a threat to ?our? interests, never as a nation whose modern history was violently derailed by foreign powers seeking oil and geopolitical dominance. The coup became a blueprint for U.S. and British interventions around the world, fueling a legacy of distrust, blowback, and endless war.
This is not ancient history. The U.S. government only formally admitted its role in the coup in 2013, after decades of denial and the destruction of key documents. The British government?s involvement was only acknowledged even more recently. The details are staggering: CIA operatives posing as communists bombing mosques to stir up religious opposition, paying mobsters to riot in the streets, and bribing editors to print fake news-long before ?fake news? became a household phrase.
So when Americans beat the drums of war with Iran, or wonder aloud ?why do they hate us??, we have to reckon with the fact that the U.S. and U.K. destroyed Iran?s best chance at democracy for the sake of oil profits and imperial power.
Imagine if a foreign power overthrew your government, installed a dictator, and then lectured you for decades about freedom and democracy. Imagine if, every time you tried to chart your own course, you were met with sanctions, threats, and military intervention.
The story of Iran is not unique. It?s a microcosm of the broader pattern of Western interventionism: democracy is celebrated only when it aligns with the interests of empire. When democracy threatens those interests?when a nation dares to control its own resources, or refuses to play by the rules of the global order?it is crushed, and the consequences are borne by ordinary people for generations.
This is not about excusing the crimes or authoritarianism of the Iranian regime. It?s about understanding the context that gave rise to it, and the role that Western powers played in destroying the possibility of a different, more peaceful future. It?s about recognizing that the seeds of today?s conflicts were planted by yesterday?s coups, sanctions, and covert operations.
If we truly want peace, if we want to avoid another catastrophic war, the first step is honesty. We have to confront our own history, acknowledge the violence committed in our name, and reject the amnesia that allows us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. Until we do, every new crisis will be haunted by the ghosts of 1953?and the world will continue to pay the price for our refusal to learn from the past. - Tim Hjersted | Films For Action

A bit simplistic, history for Iran did not start in 1953 with the nationalisation of their oil industry. Their history goes back 6,000 years, it is one of the world's oldest major civilisations, they have been invaded more times than I've had hot dinners. The events of 1953 are but a mere footnote in their history, hardly worth getting all hot and bothered about.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A thankyou to a US based poster...

I WATCHED THE ENTIRE MILITARY PARADE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO
Here's what it was like...
• The initial forecast was for 200,000 spectators, though it appeared less than half of that turned out. Estimates ranged from 50,000-100,000—half of the estimated turnout for the "NO KINGS" protest in L.A. alone (early estimates report 5+ million nationwide).
• The parade itself was actually kind of embarrassing. Even though none of us wanted the U.S. to engage in the kind of authoritarian shows of force Russia, China, and N. Korea are fond of putting on, we've all seen video of those parades—even when they have those huge, goofy strides like their entire military is auditioning for the Ministry of Silly Walks—with tens of thousands of soldiers marching in lockstep precision, it's still SUPER IMPRESSIVE how in sync they all are.
We didn't do anything cool like that.
For the most part, our boys were BARELY synced up to "Left—Left—Left, Right, Left." And don't even try to tell me that that's because our troops are too focused on lethality and warfighting these days to waste time honing their precision goosestepping because we had like 14 marching bands and probably 5 times as many flutes and tubas as Apaches and tanks.
Rather than the Mighty Show Of Military Might Trump was obviously going for, the whole thing came off like the kind of cheesy parade you'd see at Disney World — various regiments in period pieces spanning the ages from the Revolutionary War down through....the L.A. protests, I guess. An emcee over the loudspeaker read off a clunkily-worded "bio/history" for each group that walked past, and the whole thing felt like being on the people-mover winding through Tomorrowland (I haven't been to Disney World since '99, so shut up if that's not a ride anymore).
• There were at least 4 fly-bys of various aircraft—plus a jump from the Golden Knights parachute team—but it was so overcast that you could barely see anything. I assume it would've looked cool if the whole event hadn't made God cry.
• There were some pretty sweet tanks and vehicles, but they were so sparse and spread out that they seemed like more of an afterthought than the Big Stupid Expensive Thing everyone kept imagining this was gonna be.
Some of the vehicles though....I have no idea why someone thought it would be a good idea to put these in a Military Might parade. I get that they were trying to showcase vehicles from different eras, but maybe be a bit more judicious with WHICH vehicles get to do a solo? I mean, a few dozen 1940s Jeeps all in formation would probably look SWEET. You know what doesn't though? ONE JEEP driving down the street all by itself. One of the vehicles they showcased didn't even have a windshield. I turned to my wife and said, "The hell is that, a RIDING MOWER?"
• The soundtrack for the whole thing was Cringe on steroids: Metallica, Van Halen, AC/DC—a bunch of rockin' tunes that usually get a crowd fired up, only they didn't use the actual songs. Since none of those bands would approve their music being used for such a spectacle, the Army apparently recorded their own versions of the songs without any vocals, which was like listening to karaoke tracks. (Van Halen's "Right Now" is WAY up on my all-time-favs list, but without Sammy Hagar, the song loses all its punch.)
• The MOST CRINGE aspect of the whole thing was that each section of the parade had corporate sponsors and the emcee kept reading them off like a sports play-by-play announcer who has to keep reminding the folks at home that "This field goal attempt is brought to you by Jimmy John's Subs. Jimmy John's—always Freaky Fast!"
But apparently they couldn't find all that many corporate sponsors who wanted to be a part of this. The 5 sponsors I counted were—I sh*t you not—Lockheed Martin, Coinbase, UFC, Scott's Miracle Grow, and...f****** PALANTIR!
In summary, the entire thing came off like amateur hour. You can tell America doesn't do these very often (the last one was in '91 to celebrate the end of the Persian Gulf War, and before that was the end of WW2), and maybe that's for good reason. This didn't even come across like a dress rehearsal. This came across like the Army was like, "We're gonna do a parade—who wants to be in it? Meet us out on the street tomorrow afternoon so we can get a headcount of everyone—PLEASE BE SURE TO BRING YOUR TUBAS IF YOU'VE GOT ONE—and then we'll sit down and diagram the whole thing on paper before we start rehearsing," but then everyone showed up the next afternoon and the Army was like F*** rehearsal, we're doing this thing NOW!!!! Everyone, START MARCHING(ish)!"
No part of this pitiful disaster was a show of American Military Might. It was a cry for help and an indictment against kicking gays out of the military - exactly the kind of parade you’d expected when you fired the only people who know how to throw a proper parade.
So, in the end...Trump got exactly the kind of birthday he deserved.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Madness...

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/u-s-taxpayers-foot-12-4-billion-defense-bill-from-israel-for-single-night-after-netanyahu-provokes-iran-war/?fbclid=IwY2xjawK9-1tleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETEwVkpwRTU5Q2NPY0VxRVFYAR4IU3YtpUyVcg2k08-aKR8xS0dZe6e1DnaPQnPFjHOSZVUv7Kn3UB2vGgIjuQ_aem_2K1PwvEF9Y4wtQYV-H6Cfw

[sinkov]

Israel is doing the Yanks a favour actually, they get to try out their brand new all-singing, all-dancing THAAD missile defence system for real, without having to start a war to do it. But that's what friends are for isn't it.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The American War Machine seems to be ramping up supplies and weapons. Trump's Mad Dog rhetoric suggests he is going to bomb the pfhuck out of Tehran.

USAF Bomb Busters hitting the underground storage sites seems pretty much inevitable.

Will he declare the US are at war with Iran?

Will slimeball Starmer support him?

Will the UN belatedly find WMD?

Netanyahu gets what he wants after all.

[sinkov]

The American War Machine seems to be ramping up supplies and weapons. Trump's Mad Dog rhetoric suggests he is going to bomb the pfhuck out of Tehran.

USAF Bomb Busters hitting the underground storage sites seems pretty much inevitable.

Will he declare the US are at war with Iran?

Will slimeball Starmer support him?

Will the UN belatedly find WMD?

Netanyahu gets what he wants after all.

The Supreme Leader holed up in a bunker, awaiting his fate, traffic jams in Tehran as they try to get out as quickly as possible, Iranian air defence systems destroyed giving the IAF the freedom of the skies to bomb as, when and where they choose. The only option left open to Iran is to lob some of their rapidly reducing stockpile of missiles in the general direction of Israel and hope they get lucky.

Amazingly there are still some media outlets reporting on this conflict as though the outcome is still in the balance, the Grauniad, Al Jazeera and the BBC for instance, can't bring themselves to recognise the reality of the situation, it's as good as over, Israel has won, again.

[sinkov]

The American War Machine seems to be ramping up supplies and weapons. Trump's Mad Dog rhetoric suggests he is going to bomb the pfhuck out of Tehran.

USAF Bomb Busters hitting the underground storage sites seems pretty much inevitable.

Will he declare the US are at war with Iran?

Will slimeball Starmer support him?

Will the UN belatedly find WMD?

Netanyahu gets what he wants after all.

The Supreme Leader holed up in a bunker, awaiting his fate, traffic jams in Tehran as they try to get out as quickly as possible, Iranian air defence systems destroyed giving the IAF the freedom of the skies to bomb as, when and where they choose. The only option left open to Iran is to lob some of their rapidly reducing stockpile of missiles in the general direction of Israel and hope they get lucky.

Amazingly there are still some media outlets reporting on this conflict as though the outcome is still in the balance, the Grauniad, Al Jazeera and the BBC for instance, can't bring themselves to recognise the reality of the situation, it's as good as over, Israel has won, again.

[outwoodclaret]

The Supreme Leader holed up in a bunker, awaiting his fate, traffic jams in Tehran as they try to get out as quickly as possible, Iranian air defence systems destroyed giving the IAF the freedom of the skies to bomb as, when and where they choose. The only option left open to Iran is to lob some of their rapidly reducing stockpile of missiles in the general direction of Israel and hope they get lucky.

Amazingly there are still some media outlets reporting on this conflict as though the outcome is still in the balance, the Grauniad, Al Jazeera and the BBC for instance, can't bring themselves to recognise the reality of the situation, it's as good as over, Israel has won, again.

Sometimes conflicts are necessary and there are victors in war of course and the vanquished. I am however rarely convinced there are winners but certainly there are many many losers. If the theocratic government in Tehran should fall I will welcome it as will many Iranians who have had to live under their repressive rule. Starmer should stay well out of it. He can’t even defend the UK.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I've never been entirely sure why we call Israel an "Ally"

From the NYT: "Fears of a wider war are growing after President Trump called for Iran’s “unconditional surrender,” cited the possibility of killing its supreme leader and referred to Israel’s war efforts with the word “we” — all apparent suggestions that the U.S. could enter the conflict, as Israel has pressed it to do."

So Trump is saying it's OKAY for the Jews to bomb the pfhuck out of Iran but they must not retaliate? Good luck with that Senor Orange Buffoon.

[sinkov]

I've never been entirely sure why we call Israel an "Ally"

From the NYT: "Fears of a wider war are growing after President Trump called for Iran’s “unconditional surrender,” cited the possibility of killing its supreme leader and referred to Israel’s war efforts with the word “we” — all apparent suggestions that the U.S. could enter the conflict, as Israel has pressed it to do."

So Trump is saying it's OKAY for the Jews to bomb the pfhuck out of Iran but they must not retaliate? Good luck with that Senor Orange Buffoon.

Mr Trump is politely requesting that Iran sticks to military targets, as Israel is doing, instead of indiscriminately targeting civilian areas. He's wasting his time, to Jihadists civilians are simply collateral damage.

[sinkov]

This nonsense is what passes for political analysis in the Grauniad.


Analysis

"Israeli strikes have not knocked out Iran’s nuclear programme - or its nuclear ambitions"

Emma Graham-Harrison in Jerusalem.

"Damage done since Friday could be rebuilt within months, and the attacks are likely to fuel both government and popular desire for a nuclear deterrent"

Jesus wept, it's not possible to find a more deluded person than Python's Black Knight, but Emma runs him close.