It will not go away.

[sinkov]

The Pallys and their apartheid state.

"Archbishop Justin Welby worries about Christians in the Holy Land, but seems mainly concerned with those in Israel. No doubt they face problems, but these are tiny compared with what they would endure if they lived under the Palestinian Authority (PA).

Some years ago I visited Christian Arabs living in and near Bethlehem. There, for public relations reasons, the PA gives the impression of tolerance towards Christianity, which was established in the region long before Islam.

It is misleading. Christians are powerless and without protection. One young man, lamenting the refusal of Muslim-dominated courts to help in a property dispute, burst out: 'We are so alone! All of us Christians feel so lonely in this country.'

I was told, in whispers, of the unprintable desecration of the Church of the Nativity by Palestinian gunmen in 2002.

Now Christians are emigrating, and towns that have been Christian for more than 1,000 years are becoming Muslim.

The Archbishop should both pray and act for this unhappy, forgotten and unfashionable minority."

[The Bedlington Terrier]

One of those young girls said,'' “I believe that the ways of war, violence and oppression will not allow us to maintain a democratic state and be a ‘free people in our land,'” she said, referring to a line in Hatikva, Israel’s national anthem. “I refuse to enlist out of concern and love for my society and out of a desire to encourage public discourse on the character and future of our society.”

Ze’evi echoed Alon’s sentiments, insisting that she was refusing to serve due to her love for the land and its people.

“We will only get out of this cycle of fear and violence when we open our hearts and minds, look at what is happening around us, and allow ourselves to feel the pain suffered by the people who live in this land,” said Ze’evi. “Once we all understand and accept this reality, I want to believe empathy, tolerance and compromise will be our only choice.”

Tamar Alon is a second-generation conscientious objector. Her father Chen Alon famously refused to serve as a reserve officer during the Second Intifada and then founded “Combatants for Peace,” a bi-national peace movement that connects Israeli and Palestinian activists.

I would say two girls from part of our 'left wing ' Yes, 'the Peace Now Movement'.
I would say they do not see reality, the Palestinians pay to kill Jews. Kill a Jew ,your family gets an award, you go to jail What do you think some will do ? In several years these are the first I know about the young refusing ,of course some will object.

A ONE STATE SOLUTION is the only possible way to get you lot moving forward towards peace Balan.

Opening the gates to the world's largest open air concentration camp might help too.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I am no legal expert BT, but maybe you should take care, that libellous tweet has already cost Laura Murray £10,000, putting it back in the public domain might not be the wisest move, as you're so fond of telling us, British Jewry have spies everywhere.

Perhaps someone should sue me sinkov?

https://sites.google.com/site/palest...-concentration

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I do not know enough about Corbyn to add anything. However, my compliments to all for a debate based upon evidence. - not the current of simply condemning an opinion with no evidence to support another opinion.

Thanks again to Balan for highlighting some of the realities of Israel - not the anti-Semitic media and the desire to paint Israel as the aggressor.

Yes I am “goy”. However, I have felt very welcome and respected in Israel and have seen no evidence of “apartheid”.

Perhaps you are not really looking Swissclaret...

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pre...-it-1.10451441

[sinkov]

Opening the gates to the world's largest open air concentration camp might help too.

I worry about this Concentration Camp BT, what are the toilet facilities like, are they adequate, is Covid ripping through it, I can't get an answer, no one seems to know, can you help ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I worry about this Concentration Camp BT, what are the toilet facilities like, are they adequate, is Covid ripping through it, I can't get an answer, no one seems to know, can you help ?

It's hard to know what really goes inside a concentration camp mon ami. History tells us to fear the worst.

[Balanbam00]

The IDF does not conscript Arab citizens of Israel who are Muslim or Christian, however, increasing numbers choose to volunteer for military service. Many Bedouins enlist on a voluntary basis. For Druze and Circassian men, enlistment is mandatory.

Female draftees who state that they maintain a religious Jewish way of life are exempt from military service, and many of them choose to volunteer for an alternative national service called Sherut Leumi.

Male members of the Religious Zionist sector often serve within a separate system called Hesder which combines advanced Talmudic studies with military service in the Israel Defense Forces. They normally serve for a year and five months instead of three years.

Draftees who state that they are pacifists are required to appear before a committee tasked with examining the credibility of their claim. Exemption from service is granted if the committee is persuaded that their pacifism is sincere and meets the agreed criteria. Only a few individuals each year are granted an exemption on grounds of pacifism; all other self-declared pacifists are required to enlist.

The IDF has reportedly concluded that it will, at some point in the future, have to end conscription in favor of an all-volunteer force.

[Balanbam00]

This Concentration Camp is terrible in Gaza ,they are really poor ,they have nothing. That's the news and reports I am hearing, if they say its poor ,it must be poor.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Dead easy to spoil the notion of a "Tourist Haven" Balan, just lift the sea blockade, open it to foreign visitors and open the gates and let's all go in and take a look at what's really happening...

[Supersub6]

"The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is a toothless, humourless, some would say useless non-departmental public body operating in England and Wales, established by the Equality Act 2006 with effect from 1 October 2007."

Another costly, useless thing established by a Labour Government and just look how it has made huge improvements to life in the UK.

[sinkov]

Perhaps someone should sue me sinkov?

https://sites.google.com/site/palest...-concentration

Oh dear, those infantile fruitcakes should pay a visit to China. if you want to do some serious reading BT, instead of that tripe, I can help you out. The Beano would be a good start, we can move on from there when you feel ready, let me know.

[sinkov]

It's hard to know what really goes inside a concentration camp mon ami. History tells us to fear the worst.

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It must be quite horrendous BT, I'll give you that, the poor buggers are forever digging tunnels trying to get out. And those dastardly Israelis keep blowing them up. B@stards

[sinkov]

I only posted about a Jewish lady being abused on Twitter 4 days ago, and already BT it's inspired 23 posts from you, all of them either derogatory about Rachel Riley/Jews/Israel or defending anti-Semitic politicians.

You say you are not anti-Semitic and you are an honourable man,
so are they all, all Labour politicians who say they are not anti-Semitic, all honourable men.
When that the Jews have cried, Corbyn hath wept.

And yet that duck analogy keeps coming to mind, you know the one, if it looks like a duck etc.

I speak not to disprove what Corbyn spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.

And I do know the sound of a quacking duck when I hear it.

[Balanbam00]

Not only BT but some interesting facts

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I only posted about a Jewish lady being abused on Twitter 4 days ago, and already BT it's inspired 23 posts from you, all of them either derogatory about Rachel Riley/Jews/Israel or defending anti-Semitic politicians.

You say you are not anti-Semitic and you are an honourable man,
so are they all, all Labour politicians who say they are not anti-Semitic, all honourable men.
When that the Jews have cried, Corbyn hath wept.

And yet that duck analogy keeps coming to mind, you know the one, if it looks like a duck etc.

I speak not to disprove what Corbyn spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.

And I do know the sound of a quacking duck when I hear it.

We will do round in ever increasing circles on this issue sinkov.

Because I despise the way the IDF treats civilian Arabs does not make me anti-Semitic mon ami.