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  • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
    No, it just will not go away, anti-semitism rears it's ugly head again.

    "Whoopi Goldberg's gaffe proves that woke 'anti-racism' can all too easily slip into anti-Semitism. Critical Race Theory is constructed so that it can only ever end up landing Jews in the role of the despised".

    "There has been much furore over comments made by veteran Oscar-winner Whoopi Goldberg on an American television show. In a conversation sparked by a Tennessee school board’s ban of Maus, the award-winning graphic novel about the Nazi death camps, Goldberg said that the Holocaust “was not about race” but was instead about “two groups of white people” and “man’s inhumanity to man” – for which she has since apologised. As many were quick to point out, Nazi ideology very explicitly saw Jews as an inferior race.

    I found myself underwhelmed by her comments. Not because they didn’t betray terrible distortions in thinking, but because those distortions are now so familiar. Elements of the extreme Right have their own fine purchase on Jew-hatred, but you might expect that of people whose poster boy is Hitler. The apparent ironies are more focussed when anti-Semitism pours from the virtue-signalling Left, as it has done ever since wokeness, amplified by Black Lives Matter, rose to cultural dominance.

    But the so-called anti-racism movement, enshrined in Critical Race Theory – a set of beliefs that divides the world into white supremacists and their victims – is not coincidentally or ironically linked to anti-Semitism. It directly produces it.

    Throughout history, belief structures have been erected that turn Jews into the enemy and, crucially, legitimise making them the enemy. Critical Race Theory and ardent anti-racism is one of those belief structures. Of course nice people don’t want to be horrible about a minority, and nice people hate racism. They are anti-racist! But thanks to the way “anti-racism” is rigged up today, its insistence on seeing the world as a contest between white oppressors and their victims, they end up being racist anyway.

    This is because if you have a system that casts one type of person as a structural baddie – namely white people – there is then a tendency to include Jews in that (never mind that many Jews do not have white skin). And if that same system sees white people as bad because they are oppressive, with power vested in a cruel history of domination over people of colour, then, hey presto, you also get to include Jews in that, too. This is because you’ve already designated Israel a colonial power with, as Amnesty International concluded erroneously yet again this week, an apartheid system in place. And if whiteness and privilege are equated, then Jews can be slotted into that idea too: one of the most enduring anti-Semitic tropes about Jews is that we are all nefariously rich.

    Critical Race Theory, therefore, is constructed so that it can only ever end up landing Jews in the role of the despised and this is why, time and again, its ardently anti-racist adherents come out with vicious anti-Semitic comments, whether they’re members of Corbyn’s Labour party or right-on celebrities and popstars.

    Anti-Semitism used to plague the Left much less than the Right. But anti-Semitic ways of thinking are shape-shifting. At the moment, its logics are on particularly clear display on the Left in which the urge to insult and malign Jews is not in opposition to its zeal for virtue, but directly fuelled by it. Indeed, in the world of Critical Race Theory, insulting Jews is a kind of virtue, and it will keep happening as long as woke anti-racism remains our culture’s religion."
    Sorry to disagree once again sinkov, but Hitler was a despotic madman. He killed more Russians, more Poles, more priests, more communists, gypsies, more Slavs and Romanians than he did Jews.

    The Holocaust was a blot on humanity, being Jewish is being about religion not "race". Hitler talking about "untermenschen" and "inferior races" was the ranting of a mentally retarded, genocidal maniac.

    In my opinion Goldberg was right, we have become so blinded by the "everything is anti-Semitic" brigade, just to mention the word "Jew" brings down a cascade of vitriol. It's pathetic.

    You were right to challenge the BLM movement and the likes of Greenwood and Mendy for "taking the knee". The freedom to hold discourse and challenge the status quo is our right. Goldberg was jumped on for a honest, heartfelt comment, I refuse to hold Hitler's opinion of the Jews as a "race" to be anything other than the satanic rantings of a madman.

    Incidentally, Hitler also took a particular dislike to black people too. If you were not what he considered "Aryan" it was chop time. The man was not only anti-Semitic, he was the personification of evil.

    If we could take the word "race" off the table and remove it from the global lexicon, Whoopi would be right, but she would still be wrong when she claimed the Holocaust was all about "White on white" genocide. It was not.
    Last edited by The Bedlington Terrier; 03-02-2022, 05:11 AM.

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    • " The polarising effect of social media and its echo--chamber properties have led to it becoming little more than a vast conduit for confirmation bias, and this informs the way in which politicians react to crises. This is certainly one reason why Labour, under Jeremy Corbyn, resisted the charge of anti-Semitism for so long (another is that quite a few of its members were, er, anti-Semites, of course). The whole thing was a plot against the leadership orchestrated by Corbyn’s internal opponents and a gleeful media: it was, in fact, no story at all. On Twitter and on Facebook this was the line taken by the Corbynites, and they were not lying or dissembling, they actually believed it. Everybody whom they knew on social media sites told them, you see. Hell, there were even a few Labour Jews who would say the same thing. It was all a vicious confection with no basis in reality and the voters didn’t care about it one bit."

      Then there was a general election and, too late, they realised the voters did care about it.

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      • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
        " The polarising effect of social media and its echo--chamber properties have led to it becoming little more than a vast conduit for confirmation bias, and this informs the way in which politicians react to crises. This is certainly one reason why Labour, under Jeremy Corbyn, resisted the charge of anti-Semitism for so long (another is that quite a few of its members were, er, anti-Semites, of course). The whole thing was a plot against the leadership orchestrated by Corbyn’s internal opponents and a gleeful media: it was, in fact, no story at all. On Twitter and on Facebook this was the line taken by the Corbynites, and they were not lying or dissembling, they actually believed it. Everybody whom they knew on social media sites told them, you see. Hell, there were even a few Labour Jews who would say the same thing. It was all a vicious confection with no basis in reality and the voters didn’t care about it one bit."

        Then there was a general election and, too late, they realised the voters did care about it.
        They cared a whole lot more about Brexit.

        I recall the "Red Wall" Conservative Party victory was all about immigration and keeping Johnny Foreigner out. Bolton North East was won by the Tories on such a premise.

        I've knocked on a million doors on behalf of the Labour Party over the 50 years and only the odd Muslim ever expressed concern over 16 million worldwide Jews.

        Spinning the same lies about Corbyn being anti-Semitic and Starmer letting Saville off the hook are meet and drink to the lying scumbags in the Tory party.

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        • Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post

          Spinning the same lies about Corbyn being anti-Semitic and Starmer letting Saville off the hook are meet and drink to the lying scumbags in the Tory party.
          Am I getting this wrong BT, wasn't it the Equalities and Human Rights Commission that said the Labour Party, under Jeremy Corbyn, was institutionally anti-Semitic ?

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          • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
            Am I getting this wrong BT, wasn't it the Equalities and Human Rights Commission that said the Labour Party, under Jeremy Corbyn, was institutionally anti-Semitic ?
            Not the same Equalities and Human Rights Commission that goes witch hunting on Pendle Hill? They believe and try to prove an anti-Semite lies under every unturned stone sinkov. Behave!

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            • Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
              Not the same Equalities and Human Rights Commission that goes witch hunting on Pendle Hill? They believe and try to prove an anti-Semite lies under every unturned stone sinkov. Behave!
              Are there any unturned stones still in the Labour Party BT, or have they all been turned over and the anti-semites rooted out. Starmer says they have, but I'm not sure i believe him, what do you say ?

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              • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
                Are there any unturned stones still in the Labour Party BT, or have they all been turned over and the anti-semites rooted out. Starmer says they have, but I'm not sure i believe him, what do you say ?
                We have had this extraordinarily daft discourse before sinkov. It's hard for me to recall just how many different CLPs I have attended over the years, how many Labour Party members I have met at Annual Conferences and I still cannot ever recall a single incident of anti-Semitism.

                I am always remind myself when I reflect on Jeremy Corbyn not being anti-Semitic - "If a lie is only printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a truth is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it".

                The Bergers and the Hodges of this world have done more to strengthen Johnson's Tories than any amount of political canvassing ever could.

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                • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
                  Am I getting this wrong BT, wasn't it the Equalities and Human Rights Commission that said the Labour Party, under Jeremy Corbyn, was institutionally anti-Semitic ?
                  The PC Brigade alias the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

                  The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is a toothless, humourless, some would say useless non-departmental public body operating in England and Wales, established by the Equality Act 2006 with effect from 1 October 2007.

                  The Commission has responsibility for the promotion and enforcement of equality and non-discrimination laws in England and Wales. It took over the responsibilities of the Commission for Racial Equality, the Equal Opportunities Commission and the Disability Rights Commission.

                  It also has responsibility for other aspects of equality law: age, ***ual orientation and religion or belief. A national human rights institution, it seeks to promote and protect human rights in England and Wales. It has garnered a well-earned reputation for pandering to the right-wing media and the Politically Correct Brigade, Scotland does not share the enthusiasm for this toothless tiger and have gone about setting up their own Equality and Human Rights Commission in Scotland.

                  Taking a leaf right out of the Labour Party’s handbook, the Scots aspire to work to eliminate discrimination, reduce inequality, protect and promote human rights, build good relations between people and ensure that everyone has a fair chance to participate in society.
                  It has however failed spectacularly as anyone who has recently witnessed an “Old Firm” derby in Glasgow or attended a Hearts of Midlothian versus Hibernian football game in Edinburgh will happily tell you.

                  Hopping straight on the “Let’s cry anti-Semitism bandwagon” are our favourite two Jewish Panto Dames, former Labour MP Margaret Hodge and serial political party jumper Luciana Berger who have already tried and executed Jeremy Corbyn on at least God knows how many other previous occasions.

                  This spurious, “anti-Semitic is rife in the Labour Party” nonsense was instigated by a jumped up, overly privileged Hooray Henry Witchfinder General named Gideon Falter. This self-righteous busybody also happens to be perhaps not by chance, the Chief Executive of the Campaign Against Antisemitism (sic).

                  Falter is also purportedly the Chairman of the ultra-Zionist Jewish National Fund, you guessed it, that’s the one that promotes the rights of Jews to steal Palestinian land. Falter leaves no stone unturned in his zeal to find anti-Semitism at every corner. In the summer of 2014, Falter helped to establish the afore-mentioned Campaign Against Antisemitism UK. He quickly recruited his Jewish buddy Jonathan Sacerdoti, a British journalist who resides in the United Kingdom.

                  Sacerdoti covers stories relating to the UK and Europe, in addition to commenting on terrorism and extremism, he also attempts to analyse what’s breaking in the Middle East. He is also an avid anti-Semitism campaigner.
                  Sacerdoti and Falter once together, quickly conceived one of Baldrick’s most cunning plans to call for “zero tolerance enforcement of existing laws against anti-Semitism by the police.” Falter also claims the Israeli Defence Force is “held to impossibly high standards” in response to the Israelis using unharmed Palestinians for target practice.

                  Finally let us not forget the EHRC was originally inspired by the legend in his own lunchbox Mark Trevor Phillips. Phillips famously moaned it would be impossible for a black candidate in the United Kingdom to rise to the top in politics because of institutional racism within the Labour Party.

                  Do we really need to say any more mon ami?

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                  • An organisation set up during the premiership of Sir Tony and then aided and abetted by Gordon Brown ----why moan BT? This was a Labour idea to ensure multiculturism succeeded, surely it has been a success ----hasn't it?

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                    • Originally posted by Supersub6 View Post
                      An organisation set up during the premiership of Sir Tony and then aided and abetted by Gordon Brown ----why moan BT? This was a Labour idea to ensure multiculturism succeeded, surely it has been a success ----hasn't it?
                      I think you know my feelings about our number 2 war criminal Supersub.

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                      • Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
                        We have had this extraordinarily daft discourse before sinkov. It's hard for me to recall just how many different CLPs I have attended over the years, how many Labour Party members I have met at Annual Conferences and I still cannot ever recall a single incident of anti-Semitism.
                        Come on BT, no one is going to be standing up saying, 'Them fecking Jews, Adolf was right all along', are they ? FFS mon ami.

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                        • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
                          Come on BT, no one is going to be standing up saying, 'Them fecking Jews, Adolf was right all along', are they ? FFS mon ami.
                          No you would need to be at a National Front or Tory Conference to hear $hit like that mon ami.

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                          • Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post

                            I am always remind myself when I reflect on Jeremy Corbyn not being anti-Semitic - "If a lie is only printed often enough, it becomes a quasi-truth, and if such a truth is repeated often enough, it becomes an article of belief, a dogma, and men will die for it".
                            Indeed BT, and you are living proof of the above, you've repeated so often the lie that Corbyn is not anti-semitic, and that anti-semitism does not exist in the Labour Party, that you've come to actually believe it.

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                            • Originally posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
                              No you would need to be at a National Front or Tory Conference to hear $hit like that mon ami.
                              The National Front Conference, what is that ? When is it, where is it ?

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                              • Originally posted by sinkov View Post
                                Indeed BT, and you are living proof of the above, you've repeated so often the lie that Corbyn is not anti-semitic, and that anti-semitism does not exist in the Labour Party, that you've come to actually believe it.
                                Seeing is believing mon ami and I have never seen it.

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