Little comment to make other than not win today and the season is over. Is there any point in keeping the manager.
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Good on you gazan for taking the trouble to post something as nobody seems to care. I wonder if there is any point in posting here?Originally posted by gazan View PostLittle comment to make other than not win today and the season is over. Is there any point in keeping the manager.
OK, first four results we won the four games. So the next how many games 19? and we have won just five. In many people's mind that should result in all the managers and coaches being sacked and thing is, they know themselves that should be the result. No club can pay managers and coaches with a 25% win rate. I see Vale have sacked their manager!
I wonder if the board will do the job if we lose to the bottom club in the league tonight? Down 1-0 at HT! Problem is, they will never appoint a seasoned manager and just another off the academy production line!
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Just take a look at all the football results tonight so far and see how many nil scores there are!
I'm old school OK but football was never invented for this scenario and they will get the game done away with on this basis....It was designed for goals, not empty nets! IMO at least!
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So, to reiterate, he's got to go. He hasn't got the nous to formulate a winning team. Yes, there are loads of injuries but there seemed to be know plan other than hoof the ball to the front. We actually have a talented group of players in a league that is the weakest it's been for a while. The players didn't have a clue tonight and very early on looked like they didn't want to be there.
This is perhaps the last opportunity to fire him as the window opens and there's still time to turn it around.
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It should be 3 that should go, LB, RD, nd MJ but it is not going to happen. If it did I feel strongly that it has to be an outsider as manager and I would suggest David Vaughan as assistant manager. But in reality you have to understand that the largest percentage of our supporters, a good example is Timmy, are more than happy with our current system. The do not want change, especially not an "outsider".
They are conditioned to look upon CAFC as a small club with a small budget. As long as our manager is "one of ours", and the Academy continues at the same level. As long as we do not get relegated they accept that basically we should not be upset if we are not winning games. In fact they genuinely believe that they are unique supporters who are loyal to their team.
That the 3 afore mentioned management team are still in place afte such a ho0rrendous 2025 seems to suggest that the Chairman and Directors agree with their supporters views.
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Always nice to be thought of as a good example.Originally posted by lukcour View PostIt should be 3 that should go, LB, RD, nd MJ but it is not going to happen. If it did I feel strongly that it has to be an outsider as manager and I would suggest David Vaughan as assistant manager. But in reality you have to understand that the largest percentage of our supporters, a good example is Timmy, are more than happy with our current system. The do not want change, especially not an "outsider".
They are conditioned to look upon CAFC as a small club with a small budget. As long as our manager is "one of ours", and the Academy continues at the same level. As long as we do not get relegated they accept that basically we should not be upset if we are not winning games. In fact they genuinely believe that they are unique supporters who are loyal to their team.
That the 3 afore mentioned management team are still in place afte such a ho0rrendous 2025 seems to suggest that the Chairman and Directors agree with their supporters views.
It is true, I am not in favour of frequent changes of managers, mainly because it is a costly process. That said, I do think Lee Bell needs to turn the current form round quickly. The problem is bringing someone from outside the club brings its own problems. Outsider doesn't automatically equate to success and I genuinely think good managers prepared to come here for what we can afford, both in terms of salaries but also in terms of budget to finance bringing players in. And as out friends down the road are finding out, it can be a costly business rectifying mistakes. I have seen comments criticising the chairman, the board, the managers and some criticising the players. We should remember that Lee Bell is responsible for the team selection and whilst not necessarily what people want to hear, his hand is somewhat restricted at the moment. I am not one who thinks we should be given the "ins and outs" of players injuries/health conditions but the mystery around Mickey D's absence is intriguing and the same can be suggested about Lankester. Why we get so many injuries is a concern and maybe just down to bad luck but I do think that the club need to look into this. Of course, they may be doing that.
It would be somewhat ironic if we have a second half of the season mirroring the first halves of the previous two seasons and get into the playoffs on the back of a good run!
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Fans should be entitled to know who is injured and for how long not twice a year but on a weekly basis and they are not giving anything away as the competition know who are players are and will make arrangements whoever we play. But you are right in that Micky D is a mystery as he was the mainstay of the team and LB has or won't comment on why he is not playing.Originally posted by Timmy58 View PostAlways nice to be thought of as a good example.
It is true, I am not in favour of frequent changes of managers, mainly because it is a costly process. That said, I do think Lee Bell needs to turn the current form round quickly. The problem is bringing someone from outside the club brings its own problems. Outsider doesn't automatically equate to success and I genuinely think good managers prepared to come here for what we can afford, both in terms of salaries but also in terms of budget to finance bringing players in. And as out friends down the road are finding out, it can be a costly business rectifying mistakes. I have seen comments criticising the chairman, the board, the managers and some criticising the players. We should remember that Lee Bell is responsible for the team selection and whilst not necessarily what people want to hear, his hand is somewhat restricted at the moment. I am not one who thinks we should be given the "ins and outs" of players injuries/health conditions but the mystery around Mickey D's absence is intriguing and the same can be suggested about Lankester. Why we get so many injuries is a concern and maybe just down to bad luck but I do think that the club need to look into this. Of course, they may be doing that.
It would be somewhat ironic if we have a second half of the season mirroring the first halves of the previous two seasons and get into the playoffs on the back of a good run!
It could be that he disagrees with the team policy and tactics of the management team and decided he wants no part of it. It could be that he is looking to get away and this is what happens when silence is the policy of this club and then speculation is rife. Of course it costs money to change the management and why imo all clubs should give 6 months contracts and then renewed on performance, just like any other job. Giving contracts of two or three years is ridiculous and expensive as the team may not win a game for 6 months and then what happens? I think the Vale manager was on a pretty long contract but they had no choice but to make the change.
I suggest that if our Board and Chairman do nothing with the management side of the team, then we are truly stuffed and it makes a great deal of sense to change that NOW in order to give the new manager time to sort things out. History shows drifting week on week is not the answer.
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Yes, I've been thinking about that. We have to hope that that scenario is true and that the pattern of the previous two seasons doesn't repeat. I'm filled with pessimism though as Bell is clearly not up to the job of maintaining a winning team. Of the three season's in control this is the lowest we've been at this point despite having more talented players in a weaker league.Originally posted by Timmy58 View PostAlways nice to be thought of as a good example.
It is true, I am not in favour of frequent changes of managers, mainly because it is a costly process. That said, I do think Lee Bell needs to turn the current form round quickly. The problem is bringing someone from outside the club brings its own problems. Outsider doesn't automatically equate to success and I genuinely think good managers prepared to come here for what we can afford, both in terms of salaries but also in terms of budget to finance bringing players in. And as out friends down the road are finding out, it can be a costly business rectifying mistakes. I have seen comments criticising the chairman, the board, the managers and some criticising the players. We should remember that Lee Bell is responsible for the team selection and whilst not necessarily what people want to hear, his hand is somewhat restricted at the moment. I am not one who thinks we should be given the "ins and outs" of players injuries/health conditions but the mystery around Mickey D's absence is intriguing and the same can be suggested about Lankester. Why we get so many injuries is a concern and maybe just down to bad luck but I do think that the club need to look into this. Of course, they may be doing that.
It would be somewhat ironic if we have a second half of the season mirroring the first halves of the previous two seasons and get into the playoffs on the back of a good run!
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Time for change
Why is it that when a team is either on a terrible run or bottom of the league they can always rely on the Alex to lay down and hand them the game?Originally posted by gazan View PostYes, I've been thinking about that. We have to hope that that scenario is true and that the pattern of the previous two seasons doesn't repeat. I'm filled with pessimism though as Bell is clearly not up to the job of maintaining a winning team. Of the three season's in control this is the lowest we've been at this point despite having more talented players in a weaker league.
The tactics are at times unbelievable and having half the team injured happens too often to be down to purely bad luck.
I actually agree with quite a bit that MikeSB says in that there seems to be too many coaches, what are they all doing?
Finn Roberts came with a reputation as a promising talent which I can only assume has been 'coached' out of him.
I think the Alex are on a slippery slope to the National League, but we need an experienced manager. The problem is of course that will cost money.
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Thanks for the support CB...Originally posted by CreweBorn View PostWhy is it that when a team is either on a terrible run or bottom of the league they can always rely on the Alex to lay down and hand them the game?
The tactics are at times unbelievable and having half the team injured happens too often to be down to purely bad luck.
I actually agree with quite a bit that MikeSB says in that there seems to be too many coaches, what are they all doing?
Finn Roberts came with a reputation as a promising talent which I can only assume has been 'coached' out of him.
I think the Alex are on a slippery slope to the National League, but we need an experienced manager. The problem is of course that will cost money.
Fans think I am nuts with my views and maybe sometimes they are. I can only go on my own experience watching professional football from the PL eg Spurs then Div 1 and not one single professional player had any coaching because they had natural ability that separated them from Div1 to the bottom leagues. Thing is they knew how to play the game. like millions of amateurs do the whole time. Babies can play football etc.
I agree wholly in players being 'outcoached' because they are employed by the club to do something and so they shout and issue instructions to the players whether they like it or not. I had a friend who's 17 year youth played in the academy set up and he was an excellent player but he wanted to get the ball and move towards goal asap and passing the ball was not in his vision and he used to score goals doing what he did by he was *******ed by the coaches for not passing the ball when he was told. He then left the club and stopped playing football. I played right half in local amateur football to a good standard in my managers view and I knew exactly how to play in that position without any coaching and scored three goals in the first half in one match as that is what we all did, ie go for goals as there is nothing more boring than a goal less draw or losing 1-0 etc..
We have our teams passing the ball 400/500 times in a single match with no direct shots or one direct shot on goal. LB said last night they no shots on goal were created in the second half and he said the ball was being played from centre half to the centre half on the other side and he is supposed to be the HEAD coach and he does not know how his team is playing. I presume he doesn't actually coach the team and leaves that to all the other dozen coaches in the club.
I feel sorry for LB as he cannot understand why his team can play what he called last night as 'unacceptable' football and he would refund all the away fans with their ticket money if he could.
It could be the players are reacting to being 'overcoached' and playing silly buggers on the park as a demonstration. He said he wants Mickey D back for his leadership but did not expand on what is wrong with him and why he is not playing. All we read was he injured a cheek bone weeks and weeks ago and never has played since.
LB would be better possibly telling the chairman to get rid of the Cat2 academy and sack all the coaches and maybe have a cat4 one that concentrates on the 17 year old plus age groupl but then we still would have coaches at that level and why I think we could or should go back to the days when players were chosen to play for the team on the skills they have and nothing to do with coaching. The FA have ruined this game with the academy rules and all the stuff they come out with and probably they too are just a bunch of amateurs who know nothing about this game in reality.
I hope we can pull things round but it seems the players have some sort of conflict where they can destroy teams like Tranmere and then last night lose to a team that has not won a match since last March...
I wonder if the Chairman has a solution but he too is on some sort of FA committee..I think he will just leave things as they are. The management team should have been sacked this morning after last night.
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Yes, and maybe if they did, the manager could stay!Originally posted by gazan View PostOh dear!
THing is the Board should have met now to discuss why we lost to a team that had not won a match for 10 months alonside the poor form we are in. They surely cannot ignore this can they? Other wise,what are they there for?
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