OT Derby Friar Gate Incident

[SithHappens]

Curious to see why its not attempted murder.

Only assumption is it was an accident. But was it? Had a knife on him.

[Geoff Parkstone]

The knife, if there was one and I can see nowt on t'interweb about one - was likely in his possession to cut the pizza he was going to get. I hope the police brought him one while on remand, otherwise that's a breach of his human rights.

[SithHappens]

The knife, if there was one and I can see nowt on t'interweb about one - was likely in his possession to cut the pizza he was going to get. I hope the police brought him one while on remand, otherwise that's a breach of his human rights.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/who-arrested-over-derby-car-10896591

Suppose it could have been a letter opener

[Andy_Faber]

Curious to see why its not attempted murder.

Only assumption is it was an accident. But was it? Had a knife on him.

Failing the threshold for securing a conviction is my guess. The threshold for securing a conviction based on him wanting to seriously hurt folk would be lower than for him wanting to kill people. We the public don't have all the details, the justice system does

[Geoff Parkstone]

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...y-car-10896591

Suppose it could have been a letter opener

Or a sword

[Ram Pant]

So much speculation going on. Was it a political (terrorist) motivation or not? Accident, bad driving or attack? The bladed instrument, was it a knife or a ceremonial one? Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christian?

So many people jumping to conclusions based on little "evidence". Human nature I suppose but I'm staying on the fence until we know more. I'm erring towards non-intentional because the police have said they don't consider it a terrorist attack. Other online are saying it was because people were terrified. I get the thought but that's not the legal definition.

[ramAnag]

So much speculation going on. Was it a political (terrorist) motivation or not? Accident, bad driving or attack? The bladed instrument, was it a knife or a ceremonial one? Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christian?

So many people jumping to conclusions based on little "evidence". Human nature I suppose but I'm staying on the fence until we know more. I'm erring towards non-intentional because the police have said they don't consider it a terrorist attack. Other online are saying it was because people were terrified. I get the thought but that's not the legal definition.

Very wise, RP. A ‘bladed instrument’? Could be anything from a pencil sharpener to a machete. We just don’t know and probably rightly so. I do wonder if we’d even be considering terrorism if the accused hadn’t been Asian. Don’t recall the same suspicions being raised after the Liverpool incident last May.
Not sure the council have behaved particularly sensibly. Talks about traffic calming and closing Friargate seem totally OTT to me. It’s a 30 mph area with no great history of pedestrian/traffic incidents.

N.B. Please note the word ‘wonder’, GP, and give the alarmist excitability a rest.

[Ram Pant]

Very wise, RP. A ‘bladed instrument’? Could be anything from a pencil sharpener to a machete. We just don’t know and probably rightly so. I do wonder if we’d even be considering terrorism if the accused hadn’t been Asian. Don’t recall the same suspicions being raised after the Liverpool incident last May.
Not sure the council have behaved particularly sensibly. Talks about traffic calming and closing Friargate seem totally OTT to me. It’s a 30 mph area with no great history of pedestrian/traffic incidents.

N.B. Please note the word ‘wonder’, GP, and give the alarmist excitability a rest.

It also occurred to me that the "bladed instrument" might be a ceremonial thing, much in the way of a Scot's sgian-dubh. This would, of course, be dependent on his background, be that Hindu (khukuri), Sikh (kirpan), Muslim (jambiya) or Christian (who don't seem to have a ceremonial blade). We'll, hopefully, find out more over the coming months as to the man's intentions and the purpose of the blade.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm quite sure no one would be talking terrorism but for the Asian heritage of the perp.

Alarmist excitability rather perplexes me - if it refers to my mention of sword. Please research the symbolism and use of sword in Sikh ceremonies. If Sikh rather than Hindu the perp might have perfectly valid reasons for having a sword.

[ramAnag]

I'm quite sure no one would be talking terrorism but for the Asian heritage of the perp.

Alarmist excitability rather perplexes me - if it refers to my mention of sword. Please research the symbolism and use of sword in Sikh ceremonies. If Sikh rather than Hindu the perp might have perfectly valid reasons for having a sword.

Oh I understand that, however it is you, and you alone on here, who wishes to raise the issue of human rights (I know…doubtless your idea of a joke) and the unfounded image of a sword. Doesn’t help, as you well know.

[Andy_Faber]

I do wonder if we’d even be considering terrorism if the accused hadn’t been Asian.

there's a reason for the rA

[ramAnag]

there's a reason for the rA

Well thanks for the validation. Don’t think I’ve ever been referred to as ‘the rA’ before.

More seriously. What reason do you refer to?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'd say the reason AF references follows the duck logic. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck.

Not saying that is correct approach but it is the pragmatic assumption that governs much decision making

[ramAnag]

I'd say the reason AF references follows the duck logic. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it probably is a duck.

Not saying that is correct approach but it is the pragmatic assumption that governs much decision making

I think I’ll wait for AF to clarify, thanks…not least because your explanation would appear to be…if he’s of Asian appearance and involved in an altercation/incident he’s probably a terrorist, which, to follow your theme, is duckin’ stupid.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I would agree its stupid, but in today's blame driven / cover your arse driven society I can understand why it is a consideration for the investigation teams when in "immediate response mode" to at least look down that avenue if only to dismiss the possibility at earliest opportunity: after all a proportion of joe public will leap to that conclusion anyway. Criminal profiling is something that isnt going to go away - like it or not.

Its not as extreme as in the US where stats show that (for example) the 13% afro american community are resonsible for over 50% of murders (source FBI data) hence the growth of criminal profiling there. Interestingly a similar proportion of murder victims are also afro american so it seems to be far more a community/lifestyle/poverty/gang related issue rather than overtly racist black on white crime.