OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I believe Corbyn is more or less straight, he says what he believes and does not employ the spin and confuse tactics of other politicians, neither is he one of these smart suited and booted professionals and he does actually live his life according to his beliefs - its interesting that we expect politicians to be better than the electorate who judge them harshly.

Maybe straight is the wrong word - in any field of human interaction, one cannot be totally "straight". so i will call him authentic, he does what he says he believes what he says, to a greater extent than others who will say anything they believe the electorate wants to here!

As for the Tories being better for the country, well recent history suggests otherwise - cameron led the country into an unneccessary referendum for party political reasons not in the interests of the country, who can calculcate the time and effort and the eventual cost of Brexit? I'm talking merely about the effects and cost of the referendum and the activites that have gone on since, not what may happen afterwards.

May is leading the country into an unnecessary election, for political reasons not in the interests of the country and the Tories generally do what their paymasters (who certainly don't have the interests of anyone on average incomes at heart).

meanwhile the NHS is in crisis, social care is a scandal which is resulting in misery, the railways cost the taxpayer more in subsidy than when they were nationalised and cost us more in fares.

Has any party got a viable alternative at this moment in time? Probably not and thats where Corbyn falls down badly, the only upside of this election is that hopefully it will see his removal as leader of the labour party and we may get a stronger opposition back, on that point I agree with you.

In a nutshell...well put...where's that 'like button' when you want it?

Such a pity that there has been no viable, articulate opposition in the last twelve or fifteen months when the country has so desperately needed one.

[Ram59]

You 2 need to set up your own little 'love nest' post, so you can canoodle in private.

[ramAnag]

You 2 need to set up your own little 'love nest' post, so you can canoodle in private.

I agree with him, what's wrong with that? Don't always agree with him although, where politics is concerned, I seem to have rather more in common with Swale than you. We used to have the 'like' thingamibob to press but that was done away with in the last lot of 'improvements' so I acknowledged a point well made...nice distraction tactic though.

[roger_ramjet]

You be careful pressing Swale's little thingummybob, he might start to like it himself

[Trickytreesreds]

Point taken Ram59, though I think your splitting hairs on this one, I've never seen anyone more "sitting on the fence" than Corbyn did on Brexit.

Abbott' saying rascist? Mm by implication maybe but sounds more like a quick response that she realised sounded wrong at the time, so I think your being very harsh on calling her a Rascist, we would all be tainted on that score.

Sorry Swale, there is no splitting hairs here.
She's an outed racist on many occasions and like lots of remainers, calls Brexit voters racist as a weapon.
If you don't see that, then wow.
If a white politician spoke like her, then there would be riots.

http://news.sky.com/story/diane-abbotts-history-of-gaffes-10482258

[ramAnag]

You're so 'one eyed' as ever Tricky. Think we can all agree that Diane Abbot talks a lot of bollux and has said some very ill advised things. So too have a number of Tory politicians and probably the vast majority of UKIP ones. How about addressing the issue of Lynton Crosby running the Tory election campaign after his behaviour over the London Mayor elections...at least that's in the here and now.

[Trickytreesreds]

You're so 'one eyed' as ever Tricky. Think we can all agree that Diane Abbot talks a lot of bollux and has said some very ill advised things. So too have a number of Tory politicians and probably the vast majority of UKIP ones. How about addressing the issue of Lynton Crosby running the Tory election campaign after his behaviour over the London Mayor elections...at least that's in the here and now.

Did I defend Crosby Ramanag?
No, I didn't.
I saw a defense of Abbott, who gets away with racism, even after being reeled in by Milliband.
Now she's on the front bench. Corbyn makes such poor choices and a blatant racist like her shouldn't be there.
She's lucky not to have been investigated by the police for some of her comments.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Trickytreesreds;38506360]Did I defend Crosby Ramanag?
No, I didn't.
I saw a defense of Abbott, who gets away with racism, even after being reeled in by Milliband.
Now she's on the front bench. Corbyn makes such poor choices and a blatant racist like her shouldn't be there.
She's lucky not to have been investigated by the police for some of her comments

[ramAnag]

Did I defend Crosby Ramanag?
No, I didn't.
I saw a defense of Abbott, who gets away with racism, even after being reeled in by Milliband.
Now she's on the front bench. Corbyn makes such poor choices and a blatant racist like her shouldn't be there.
She's lucky not to have been investigated by the police for some of her comments.

Actually you busted in to a debate about racism started by Ram59's claims about Abbot and ranted on about her alone as a representation of a racist MP. Like Ram59 you make great play of the fact that her stupidly semi coherent and possibly racist rants should disqualify her from being an MP and that she brings disgrace on the Labour Party. I wouldn't argue with that but I don't understand why you identify Abbot alone and choose not to comment on Theresa May's choice of Lynton Crosby - given his track record - to run her party's election campaign.

[Trickytreesreds]

Actually you busted in to a debate about racism started by Ram59's claims about Abbot and ranted on about her alone as a representation of a racist MP. Like Ram59 you make great play of the fact that her stupidly semi coherent and possibly racist rants should disqualify her from being an MP and that she brings disgrace on the Labour Party. I wouldn't argue with that but I don't understand why you identify Abbot alone and choose not to comment on Theresa May's choice of Lynton Crosby - given his track record - to run her party's election campaign.

Believe it or not I actually agree with that.
He is an Aussie, who knows how press buttons, by stating harsh comments. Examples of immigrants using babies as bribes by throwing them into the sea.
The fact it has been seen before, but must never be mentioned, hung him solidly. The way he puts things is horrendous.

My point on ABBOTT is.

She is a front bench opposition MP in the public eye. Her comments sour an elected persons position and she gets away with it because she is black.
No one, including Swale, can defend her. At least you acknowledge what a disgrace she is. If Corbyn was half the opposition leader we need, she wouldn't be there.

[ramAnag]

Believe it or not I actually agree with that.
He is an Aussie, who knows how press buttons, by stating harsh comments. Examples of immigrants using babies as bribes by throwing them into the sea.
The fact it has been seen before, but must never be mentioned, hung him solidly. The way he puts things is horrendous.

My point on ABBOTT is.

She is a front bench opposition MP in the public eye. Her comments sour an elected persons position and she gets away with it because she is black.
No one, including Swale, can defend her. At least you acknowledge what a disgrace she is. If Corbyn was half the opposition leader we need, she wouldn't be there.

I don't think Swale actually applauded her. It's just that possibly saying positive things about black mothers isn't as overtly racist as saying negative things about white mothers so he questioned it.
Point surely is...I can accept that Corbyn's handling of Abbot doesn't inspire confidence but May's appointment of Crosby, given that she is the PM, was an experienced Home Secretary and is fully aware of his recent history seems even more shocking.

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't think Swale actually applauded her. It's just that possibly saying positive things about black mothers isn't as overtly racist as saying negative things about white mothers so he questioned it.
Point surely is...I can accept that Corbyn's handling of Abbot doesn't inspire confidence but May's appointment of Crosby, given that she is the PM, was an experienced Home Secretary and is fully aware of his recent history seems even more shocking.

I concur with the last bit.

But back to Abbott-
Racism, runs one way with her.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/154022/Diane-Abbott-reported-to-cops-for-racism-over-black-jobs-appeal

She's an open anti white racist, who ducks and dodges questions.
No way should that disgrace be on a front bench

[swaledale]

I concur with the last bit.

But back to Abbott-
Racism, runs one way with her.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/154022/Diane-Abbott-reported-to-cops-for-racism-over-black-jobs-appeal

She's an open anti white racist, who ducks and dodges questions.
No way should that disgrace be on a front bench

Oh my another pearl of wisdom from a paper that any intelligent person would not even admit to reading! Quote a media source that actually portrays the facts and not some scabby tabloid and you may have some credibility!

I have to laugh when whites get all steamed up about this, as if they had suffered discrimination and injustice all their lives!! One could quote endless examples of white MP's who have spouted and still spout utter rascist and prejudicial crap, but somehow you single out a black MP and don't even understand the context from which she speaks.

If she were white and had said the same thing about white males the Star would not even have reported it which says it all really! Aboot talks a lot of guff and can be crass in the extreme, but its a sign of desperation and utterly false to call her rascist

Still Tricky I guess you'd know a rascist comment if anyone does? Oh no, I forgot you don't think the bilge you spout is rascist!

[ramAnag]

I concur with the last bit.

But back to Abbott-
Racism, runs one way with her.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/154022/Diane-Abbott-reported-to-cops-for-racism-over-black-jobs-appeal

She's an open anti white racist, who ducks and dodges questions.
No way should that disgrace be on a front bench

I agree with the Tory MP's comment in your link...'This is the kind of claptrap that is manna from heaven to extremists like the BNP'...and you apparently. It is one example of a Labour MP, who happens to be a black woman, talking bollux and in doing so providing the likes of you and Ram59 with a stick to delightedly beat Labour with. I think we need to concentrate on the bigger issues which you, amongst others, repeatedly seek to draw a veil - heaven forbid it be a burka - over.

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh my another pearl of wisdom from a paper that any intelligent person would not even admit to reading! Quote a media source that actually portrays the facts and not some scabby tabloid and you may have some credibility!

I have to laugh when whites get all steamed up about this, as if they had suffered discrimination and injustice all their lives!! One could quote endless examples of white MP's who have spouted and still spout utter rascist and prejudicial crap, but somehow you single out a black MP and don't even understand the context from which she speaks.

If she were white and had said the same thing about white males the Star would not even have reported it which says it all really! Aboot talks a lot of guff and can be crass in the extreme, but its a sign of desperation and utterly false to call her rascist

Still Tricky I guess you'd know a rascist comment if anyone does? Oh no, I forgot you don't think the bilge you spout is rascist!

Here he goes again lol
Does it matter what I posted link wise?
I just couldn't be bothered to type it all out. Search engine gave me what she said.
Answer yes or no. Does she spout anti white racist comments?

I won't even go down the, well there are others route. She and the rest are MP's. They are supposed to be the example for us all to follow.
Yes there is more than her, but she doesn't deserve any protective or explanation. You and your left leanings are your personal preference Swale. That's your choice. But even if she was far right, what she says is wrong and provocative.
Left / Liberal pampering have encouraged her.