OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

I posted two video links.
I made no comments. Ramanag couldn't even be bothered to view them both, before dismissing them. Mainly because the blind will not see.
As for you, do you have a fence post up your butt? You sit on it enough.

Actually, if you’d read what I wrote, I said...after sitting through the first one - the Rees Mogg one - I couldn’t be bothered to waste time on the second so offered ‘no comment’.
I’m afraid your reputation precedes you. Last week you posted something that opened with a Union Jack unfurling...a combination of that and its source left me unsurprised at the content.
I did watch the Rees Mogg one...anyone who suggests that Hitler and the EU were/are working to achieve the same goal is an idiot imo, albeit an articulate one. Anyone who believes it...just an idiot.

[Manofpride]

[ramAnag]

Oh dear...seems you’ve at last answered your original question.

In the land of the blind...the one eyed man is king.

[swaledale]

I knew you'd bite.

You can't help but brag off about your money earning abilities can you - notice how no-one else feels the need to spunk off about their earning capability?

I think the exchange rate stats (although they were wrong) do make a point in support of what Adi was saying, although none of my lines of argument could cause anything but three pages of contradictions, so I backed off going off on one with reams of context/evidence. You might also notice we had a friendly bit of banter, you should try joining in some time

And as usual you can't help but miss the point i was making but hey thats always been your problem, blind and rather dim!

[swaledale]

Swale, much as I’m far more likely to agree with you than Andy over Brexit, doesn’t that latest answer put you in competition with Johnson and Farage in the hypocrisy stakes?

How am I a hypocrite? Did I want Brexit? Did I vote for it? Was it my idea to have a referendum? NO, but as the Brexiteers constantly tell us, I'm just taking the amazing range of opportunities that Brexit will open up for the UK!

What do you expect me to do, turn down work on the basis its not in line with what I would wish to be happening? The point I was trying to get across and one which most missed was, there are many who will do rather well out of Brexit. unfortunately it won't be those who voted for it because their lives are ****e, with little or no job prospects,and blame it on immigrants "taking their jobs", or who can't buy or rent a home and blame it on immigrants "taking their homes" or find it difficult to get health care and blame it on immigrants "swamping the health service".

One day of course some, though not all will realise this but I guess by then it will be too late! As for those who welcome the Mogg's view of things - i.e. "things were rather spiffing in Victorian times when the proles knew their place and Britain ruled half the world, well most will be dead when the full effects of Brexit are felt, but if they aren't well I guess they will be disappointed if they are even sentient enough to know!

[Romanis]

And there's me thinking Swale is more interested in talking politics then Derby.

No, scratch that, Swale's more keen to get into verbals with RA and AF than talk Derby County FC.
But who knows I could be wrong.....

[Andy_Faber]

How am I a hypocrite? Did I want Brexit? Did I vote for it? Was it my idea blah blah blah blah

Just to give you helping hand, shall I pm you a list of all the other forum posters who think similar to RA and I?

[Romanis]

I posted two video links.
I made no comments. Ramanag couldn't even be bothered to view them both, before dismissing them. Mainly because the blind will not see.
As for you, do you have a fence post up your butt? You sit on it enough.

Face it Tricky, your politics is more Looney Fringe than anything else.

[ramAnag]

Just to give you helping hand, shall I pm you a list of all the other forum posters who think similar to RA and I?

Hold on...I actually agree with virtually all that Swale says about Brexit. I just think that he sometimes seem to take too much pleasure in telling us all how much he’s benefitting from it. It’s a bit like Farage building a career out of destroying our relationship with the EU and then benefitting from a huge EU pension.
I had a similar quandary when I was invited to train as an Ofsted inspector...I don’t believe in the system so I, non too politely, declined.
Probably stupid...I’d be a lot better off now and would have had a much less stressful job.
Of course we all have a responsibility to go out and earn our ‘corn’...it’s just the ‘bragging’ that ****** me off sometimes.

[Andy_Faber]

Hold on...I actually agree with virtually all that Swale says about Brexit. I just think that he sometimes seem to take too much pleasure in telling us all how much he’s benefitting from it. It’s a bit like Farage building a career out of destroying our relationship with the EU and then benefitting from a huge EU pension.
I had a similar quandary when I was invited to train as an Ofsted inspector...I don’t believe in the system so I, non too politely, declined.
Probably stupid...I’d be a lot better off now and would have had a much less stressful job.
Of course we all have a responsibility to go out and earn our ‘corn’...it’s just the ‘bragging’ that ****** me off sometimes.

that was the bit I was referring to R

While you're here, and I ask because I respect your view even when I disagree: How do you assess the respective reactions to the misdemeanours of Jo Cox's husband and the 'gents' of the Presidents Club?

[ramAnag]

that was the bit I was referring to R

While you're here, and I ask because I respect your view even when I disagree: How do you assess the respective reactions to the misdemeanours of Jo Cox's husband and the 'gents' of the Presidents Club?

Okay, thanks for tossing me that ‘can of worms’. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. Very complex isn’t it? Not helped by the fact that I’m unsure of exactly what the Cox guy is alleged to have done. Perhaps more accurate comparisons might be between Cox and Fallon - because they seem to have acted individually - and the Presidents Club with Oxfam - because they are examples of organisations possibly abusing power.
I’ll preface anything I say by establishing that I find any abuse of women or children by those who misuse their ‘power’, be that through physical strength or their ‘positional’ strength to be utterly deplorable.
Having said that I’ll add that I’m not naive enough to believe that women are always the innocent parties and I’m not about to start banging a drum for the new ‘sisterhood’ which seems to include more than it’s fair share of hypocrisy.
I detest boorish, lustful men who seem to feel they have the right to grope their ‘targets’ but frankly any woman who put herself in the position of dressing in a certain way to act as a ‘hostess/escort’ at any such event must be stupid at worst...naive at best...to believe she wouldn’t attract the kind of ‘attention’ which seems to have been forthcoming.
Incoming!!!

[Andy_Faber]

Okay, thanks for tossing me that ‘can of worms’. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. Very complex isn’t it? Not helped by the fact that I’m unsure of exactly what the Cox guy is alleged to have done. Perhaps more accurate comparisons might be between Cox and Fallon - because they seem to have acted individually - and the Presidents Club with Oxfam - because they are examples of organisations possibly abusing power.
I’ll preface anything I say by establishing that I find any abuse of women or children by those who misuse their ‘power’, be that through physical strength or their ‘positional’ strength to be utterly deplorable.
Having said that I’ll add that I’m not naive enough to believe that women are always the innocent parties and I’m not about to start banging a drum for the new ‘sisterhood’ which seems to include more than it’s fair share of hypocrisy.
I detest boorish, lustful men who seem to feel they have the right to grope their ‘targets’ but frankly any woman who put herself in the position of dressing in a certain way to act as a ‘hostess/escort’ at any such event must be stupid at worst...naive at best...to believe she wouldn’t attract the kind of ‘attention’ which seems to have been forthcoming.
Incoming!!!

No need for a hard hat for any incoming from me, I just about agree. My enquiry, and Fallon/Cox is a good example, is because I see different spins being put on similar incidents, and it is relevant to Brexit because its a habit I see running right the way through the pre-
and post- Brexit mellee. In your example, Fallon got cast adrift whereas Cox almost appears to be getting a a sympathy vote - 'Jo cox was a wonderful woman therefore its OK for her husband to act inappropriately'. I think that is a bit pukemaking and ignores the impact his actions had on his 'victims'

[ramAnag]

No need for a hard hat for any incoming from me, I just about agree. My enquiry, and Fallon/Cox is a good example, is because I see different spins being put on similar incidents, and it is relevant to Brexit because its a habit I see running right the way through the pre-
and post- Brexit mellee. In your example, Fallon got cast adrift whereas Cox almost appears to be getting a a sympathy vote - 'Jo cox was a wonderful woman therefore its OK for her husband to act inappropriately'. I think that is a bit pukemaking and ignores the impact his actions had on his 'victims'

I’ve no idea what the impact was on his ‘victims’. I guess the difference is that he was a young unknown whose only claim to ‘fame’ is that his wife was ‘assassinated’ while Fallon was, ‘allegedly’ an elder statesman and leading figure amongst the Government/Establishment who should have known better.
Fine lines, lots of double standards and possibly a case, for many of us of ‘he who casts the first stone’ etc. I doubt we’ve all behaved perfectly in our lives but the past, as they say, ‘is a different country’.
It used to be said that power - along with wealth and fame - is the greatest aphrodisiac. Looking at the ***ploits of Farage, Fallon, Weinstein and the ludicrous Henry Bolton there really can be no other explanation and women must take their fair share of blame for that.

[swaledale]

Just to give you helping hand, shall I pm you a list of all the other forum posters who think similar to RA and I?

Do I give a **** about the others? No! Jeez I do have a laugh at the uninformed piffle that passes for debate on this thread and then the false righteousness which breaks out when a few simple facts are introduced.

Bragging eh? For those too dim to understand the point i was making was very simple - but given your and apparently others on here inability to understand it, its simply not worth the effort to explain.

Stick with your inaccurate conclusion you seem happy with it as indeed you seem happy to believe and accept many myths and inaccuracies.

Perals before swine!

[swaledale]

Hold on...I actually agree with virtually all that Swale says about Brexit. I just think that he sometimes seem to take too much pleasure in telling us all how much he’s benefitting from it. It’s a bit like Farage building a career out of destroying our relationship with the EU and then benefitting from a huge EU pension.
I had a similar quandary when I was invited to train as an Ofsted inspector...I don’t believe in the system so I, non too politely, declined.
Probably stupid...I’d be a lot better off now and would have had a much less stressful job.
Of course we all have a responsibility to go out and earn our ‘corn’...it’s just the ‘bragging’ that ****** me off sometimes.

Come on RA surely your a wee bit brighter than the others?

I'm a remainer pointing out the irony of those who lean towards or may even have voted for leave - the vast majority of the Brexit brigade hadn't a ****ing clue when they voted leave and will be mightily screwed when it happens, the irony is that many like me who can see that Brexit will be a disaster will be just fine!