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[Geoff Parkstone]

She's probably a fake person MA, created by Farage in order to thwart rA's crusade for more referendae

[Andy_Faber]

She says..... You cannot call yourself a democrat and advocate ignoring or overturning the referendum result simply because you don’t like it.

yes you can. But you'd be wrong

[ramAnag]

Here are the views of a 23 year old female Uni graduate and from an ethnic minority background. One paragraph copied verbatim and the link to the entire piece she wrote.

It makes an interesting read.

She says..... You cannot call yourself a democrat and advocate ignoring or overturning the referendum result simply because you don’t like it. If this were to happen, I think it would set a very dangerous precedent in British elections. Democracy means accepting the views of the majority, whether you agree or not.

https://brexitcentral.com/dont-assum...0D4ZRSX0VlHFyc

‘Interesting read’? C’mon MA...so Brexit Central puts up a person who ticks all the boxes - young, attractive, mixed race and pro Brexit - but has virtually nothing new to say.

Taking her two most central statements.

1. ‘Democracy means accepting the views of the majority whether you like it or not’.

I’d suggest that’s a definition of Populism rather than Democracy.
Democracy is a system of government by the eligible members of a State, usually through elected representatives.
If it was as simple as is made out have a wild guess as to where we’d be as regards the death penalty, traffic wardens and income tax to name but three.

2. ‘You cannot call yourself a democrat and advocate ignoring or overturning the referendum result because you don’t like it.’

The referendum result certainly hasn’t been ignored and it’s not a question of liking it or otherwise. Our MP’s were democratically elected to represent us and they doubt the wisdom of following a decision which few understood the implications of, virtually no one had access to truthful details of and 63% of those eligible to vote didn’t actively support.

Is this really the best Brexit Central can produce?

If we’re going to conveniently confuse the whole thing with a ‘challenge to our democracy’ how about, ‘why are virtually all Brexitears so opposed to a second Referendum now that the electorate have a clearer idea of the complexities and consequences of Brexit and what would be so undemocratic about that?’

[Geoff Parkstone]

If we’re going to conveniently confuse the whole thing with a ‘challenge to our democracy’ how about, ‘why are virtually all Brexitears so opposed to a second Referendum now that the electorate have a clearer idea of the complexities and consequences of Brexit and what would be so undemocratic about that?’

That ones easy enough to answer. The people have already democratically spoken and given their answer once in accordance with the rules of the question. Talk all you like of lies and deception, but neither side had clean hands. If you have just won £ 100 million in the euromillions lottery, are you going to ask for a re-selection of the numbers, just in case they got it wrong first time, and take your chances with being right again?

A second referendum may or may not give a different result, who knows, but you cannot just keep calling for another one because you didn't like the outcome of the first. That would be thoroughly undemocratic. For example if my MP were to call for a second referendum because he did not like the outcome, should that give me the right to call for a new constituency election because I did not like what my representative was doing? We'd have votes every week or more: that way lies madness: and we would never make a decision in years. In fact we would be just like the Commission, constantly debating the correct shape of a cucumber and going back to the vote, before coming up with a ludicrous compromise decision.

[ramAnag]

If it’s so easy to answer Parky, then answer it...don’t go off at a tangent.

The people (well a minority percentage of them) have given their opinion/advice on what they believe as regards the EU...or at least on one aspect of membership of the EU.

Parliament - that democratically elected body of our representatives which I thought all the Leavers wanted to remain ‘sovereign’ - has taken that advice (which was never ever mandatory) and, after almost three years, concluded that the cost of unconditional leaving would have had too harmful an effect on the people of this country.

The Referendum was always a huge mistake and you know perfectly well why it was called. Let’s not now compound it and let’s not clutter the debate with irrelevant nonsense about winning the lottery and new constituency elections.

I don’t have much faith in a second referendum either but in order to satisfy those who see this as an ‘affront to democracy’ - as the woman in MA’s article obviously did - what’s your better solution?

[Geoff Parkstone]

do what we should have done a couple of years ago








........invade Poland!



A few years later we will be getting massive foreign investment, iad etc and eventually have the strongest economy in europe as a result of it

[ramAnag]

...answer came there none.

[AdiSalisbury]

‘Interesting read’? C’mon MA...so Brexit Central puts up a person who ticks all the boxes - young, attractive, mixed race and pro Brexit - but has virtually nothing new to say.

Taking her two most central statements.

1. ‘Democracy means accepting the views of the majority whether you like it or not’.

I’d suggest that’s a definition of Populism rather than Democracy.
Democracy is a system of government by the eligible members of a State, usually through elected representatives.
If it was as simple as is made out have a wild guess as to where we’d be as regards the death penalty, traffic wardens and income tax to name but three.

2. ‘You cannot call yourself a democrat and advocate ignoring or overturning the referendum result because you don’t like it.’

The referendum result certainly hasn’t been ignored and it’s not a question of liking it or otherwise. Our MP’s were democratically elected to represent us and they doubt the wisdom of following a decision which few understood the implications of, virtually no one had access to truthful details of and 63% of those eligible to vote didn’t actively support.

Is this really the best Brexit Central can produce?

If we’re going to conveniently confuse the whole thing with a ‘challenge to our democracy’ how about, ‘why are virtually all Brexitears so opposed to a second Referendum now that the electorate have a clearer idea of the complexities and consequences of Brexit and what would be so undemocratic about that?’

I feel like that is written in red ink.

[Manofpride]

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Why are virtually all Brexitears so opposed to a second Referendum now that the electorate have a clearer idea of the complexities and consequences of Brexit and what would be so undemocratic about that?’

I wouldn't trust the vote, the Country is getting as Corrupt as many others out there. If they don't like the outcome of the winning vote find a way get the outcome they want and **** the people!

[ramAnag]

I wouldn't trust the vote, the Country is getting as Corrupt as many others out there. If they don't like the outcome of the winning vote find a way get the outcome they want and **** the people!

Touch of the paranoias there for you, MoP.

Wish you’d stop pretending that those who support Brexit are ‘the people’. They were, almost three years ago, just over one third of ‘the people’, no more, no less.

More recently, the Liberals - the most anti Brexit party of them all - seem to be doing quite well in the locals.

[Geoff Parkstone]

The Libs are once again the protest vote candidate,same as UKIP were a few years back. Nothing more, nothing less. That aside they are an irrelevance

It's a shame that local elections are polluted by the inadequacies of central government. The issues are quite different and I'm sure decent hard working local councillors are being kicked out due to the woeful performance of their party seniors.

Not sure who is doing worse - Tories would be expected to lose seats but not as many as they have; Labour should be winning seats but are losing them too.

[ramAnag]

The Libs are once again the protest vote candidate,same as UKIP were a few years back. Nothing more, nothing less. That aside they are an irrelevance

It's a shame that local elections are polluted by the inadequacies of central government. The issues are quite different and I'm sure decent hard working local councillors are being kicked out due to the woeful performance of their party seniors.

Not sure who is doing worse - Tories would be expected to lose seats but not as many as they have; Labour should be winning seats but are losing them too.

Disagree with very little of that, Parky. Nevertheless it is interesting to note that the most openly and avowedly anti-Brexit Party, the LibDems, would appear to be yesterday’s winner.

They perhaps aren’t quite the ‘irrelevance’ that you describe UKIP as being either...they were after all a very significant part of the coalition government until just four years ago which, come to think of it, was about the last time a UK Government managed to achieve anything at all.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Unfortunately for them, their annihilation as a political force came immediately after and as a direct result of their significant part in that government. Hence now irrelevant. Signed own death warrant.

UKIP are now also an irrelevance, but mostly because they achieved their objective.

How do you think history will judge the performance of the two parties? The former being self destructive, the latter getting what they wanted.

[Geoff Parkstone]

The name Clegg will be honoured more for his performance in Holmfirth than in Westminster

[ramAnag]

Unfortunately for them, their annihilation as a political force came immediately after and as a direct result of their significant part in that government. Hence now irrelevant. Signed own death warrant.

UKIP are now also an irrelevance, but mostly because they achieved their objective.

How do you think history will judge the performance of the two parties? The former being self destructive, the latter getting what they wanted.

It’s a little like comparing Tottenham or Arsenal with Wimbledon/MK Dons, Parky.
The former have great pedigree and a history of achievement interspersed with periods of hard times while the others were a bunch of ‘flash in the pan’ thugs who got lucky for a mercifully short period of time.
Fortunately Vince Cable has an abundance of class, compassion and common sense while Farage - yes I know he has now distanced himself from the even more objectionable new leaders of UKIP - reminds me of the Vinnie Jones of politics.
Have UKIP ‘achieved their objective’? I’m not so sure. Have the LibDems been annihilated? Not on today’s evidence.