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[Geoff Parkstone]

Further confused by U.S. pints and gallons being significantly smaller than their UK equivalent, MA.

There’s also a tiny difference between the US and UK inch although I don’t think it’s responsible for the fact that over here I’m a 34 inch waist and over there I’m always a 33’’. More to do with flattering the invariably overweight US consumer I suspect.

I thought they regularised the minor differences in US and Imperial inches back in the 1950's: or do you just have some very old trousers?

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39843492]

It had **** all to do with the EU, going metric and decimalisation of the currency was needed given most of the rest of the world used those units. The fact that typically British we did it in a half arsed fashion is down to the inherent inability of governments to do things which are required but not necessarily popular at the time and the typical British compromise which suits nobody.

Still rather typical of Thicky to seize on something not down to the EU, but wholly in the hands of the UK government to use as a crtique of the EU!

But then he has swallowed all those myths perpetuated by successive UK politicians in blaming the EU for rules and regulations which in the majority of cases were put forward by the Uk in the first place or where slavishly adopted by a UK government when they weren't actually required to do so, or blaming the EU for not being able to do something when the UK government could have, but didnt want to.

Oh and the impact of Brexit will and are being felt immediately - because the economic effect of leaving the single market and customs union are immediate, just ask a fisherman! But also because the "oven ready" (more likely half baked) deal that the UK government agreed with the EU neglected a number of important trading, crime and security matters.

But then when ideological half wits are in charge, thats what one gets, a complete **** up!

WTF are you on about?
I never said it was down to the EU. I said like we are discussing Brexit, something that happens doesn't get solved over night.
When we joined the EU, going metric helped no end.
My point was, even though I'd been taught metric in school. In the real world, Imperial hadn't disappeared and wouldn't for a long while. People have to adapt and let things slowly change as we learn.
When I satrted work, the older guys were very much in Imperial land and I learned in reverse.
Yet even today, it still goes on, as like RA says, MPH as an example.
At school it was M/S not Y/S.

No one can make a judgment on Brexit for years to come. What someone suffers now, may be a snotty nose for others.

[ramAnag]

I thought they regularised the minor differences in US and Imperial inches back in the 1950's: or do you just have some very old trousers?

Something against 20’’ inch flares, GP?

I believe there’s still a microscopic difference for some reason, but where gallons and pints are concerned it remains significant.

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39843286]

Thanks for such a dignified and well mannered response.

I wasn’t actually trying to be a ‘smart arse’ as you put it, but ‘still an ongoing process’...really?

You’re right of course about speedometers and clothing sizes, they are produced with dual methods of measurement but honestly, when was the last time you saw a metric road sign in this country and when was the last time you used the metric part of your speedo over here or actually bought your clothes measured in centimetres rather than inches?

I’ve never taught maths, for which the world should be eternally grateful, but as long ago as 1975, when I completed my final teaching practice, those who did were warned to expect to fail if they referred to imperial forms of measurement.

So almost half a century ago the educational directives from government and educationalists were clear as regards transfer to the more logical and precise metric system, but your ‘real world’ resisted it leading to a generation of numerically confused school leavers. All in all then it’s rather more complex than you make out, and as for ‘nothing is a straight switch for the better/worse overnight’...you possibly won’t remember it...but decimalisation certainly was.

Nope don't remember decimalisation.
But I certainly do use continental units in clothing, if and when I have to. Shoe sizing in particular, as my last pair of Timberland boots acquired in Munich can testify.

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;39843321]

More precise? Really? I've got to hear this one

the thing about currency decimalisation though was there was no choice for the public. Where there has been a choice there's been less success, even when pushed hard by whatever government happens to be in the hot seat at any given time, metric weights and measures being probably the most well known but not the only one, a good more recent example being DAB radio

I agree currency decimalisation was a change for the better but other 'progress' has thwarted its benefits, notably the rise of easy consumer credit and of 'virtual' money

If you have ever had to do any fabricating Andy, you'd understand.
Marking out a sheet of 15mm x 3000 x 3000 steel, for a profile cut by acetylene, means you get it right. 1/4 , 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 of an inch isn't good for guaranteed marker guy, where as a mm, is still a mm.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Personally I still use imperial measures today. In a butchers I will order meat in pounds, in the deli meat or cheese in ounces / quarters. Would be the same for sweets if I could still find a sweet shop with the big glass jars on the back shelf to buy chocolate limes from.

Usually the person serving has a converter, and will ask me if I mean XXX grams, to which I shrug my shoulders as I have no clue what the equivalent is. If pressed I will just order by size, or number of slices.

Call me outmoded, but I also still think temperature in Farenheit, distances in feet / yards / miles, liquids in pints / gallons etc. In fact the only thing that I do use metric for is money. Just never bothered to learn the "new measures" in the 70's

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Trickytreesreds;39844161]

WTF are you on about?
I never said it was down to the EU. I said like we are discussing Brexit, something that happens doesn't get solved over night.
When we joined the EU, going metric helped no end.
My point was, even though I'd been taught metric in school. In the real world, Imperial hadn't disappeared and wouldn't for a long while. People have to adapt and let things slowly change as we learn.
When I satrted work, the older guys were very much in Imperial land and I learned in reverse.
Yet even today, it still goes on, as like RA says, MPH as an example.
At school it was M/S not Y/S.

No one can make a judgment on Brexit for years to come. What someone suffers now, may be a snotty nose for others.

Lol...so yesterday I was being a ‘smart arse’ and now you’re quoting me? Love the consistency.

As regards what he’s ‘on about’. It was you who dropped the whole metric v imperial thing into the Brexit debate wasn’t it?

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=Trickytreesreds;39844185]

If you have ever had to do any fabricating Andy, you'd understand.
Marking out a sheet of 15mm x 3000 x 3000 steel, for a profile cut by acetylene, means you get it right. 1/4 , 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 of an inch isn't good for guaranteed marker guy, where as a mm, is still a mm.

That might explain the difference in opinion, i fabricate (aka knock together) but, to quote my hero Jack Rolfe, 'We'll Build It In wood'

[ramAnag]

Personally I still use imperial measures today. In a butchers I will order meat in pounds, in the deli meat or cheese in ounces / quarters. Would be the same for sweets if I could still find a sweet shop with the big glass jars on the back shelf to buy chocolate limes from.

Usually the person serving has a converter, and will ask me if I mean XXX grams, to which I shrug my shoulders as I have no clue what the equivalent is. If pressed I will just order by size, or number of slices.

Call me outmoded, but I also still think temperature in Farenheit, distances in feet / yards / miles, liquids in pints / gallons etc. In fact the only thing that I do use metric for is money. Just never bothered to learn the "new measures" in the 70's

Why am I not surprised?

Seriously though...I rest my case. Decimalisation was done overnight, probably with the support of a few TV/newspaper adverts, and everyone got on with it. I remember some elderly people being temporarily confused but nothing more than that. We’ve dillied and dallied with the rest, hence the confusion, although I guess the expense involved in changing every road sign in the country would be prohibitively massive.

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39844254]

Lol...so yesterday I was being a ‘smart arse’ and now you’re quoting me? Love the consistency.

As regards what he’s ‘on about’. It was you who dropped the whole metric v imperial thing into the Brexit debate wasn’t it?

Just to be clear the quote wasn't originally posted by me!!! Its the way quoting quotes does things but rather confusing.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39847910]

Just to be clear the quote wasn't originally posted by me!!! Its the way quoting quotes does things but rather confusing.

Apologies. Not sure how that happened. Probably my mistake...I was responding to TTR but, for some reason - or one of many - he seems to have gone very quiet.

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;39848080]

Apologies. Not sure how that happened. Probably my mistake...I was responding to TTR but, for some reason - or one of many - he seems to have gone very quiet.

Probably wetting his kecks over the thought of 20,000 Afghans coming over!

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39848329]

Probably wetting his kecks over the thought of 20,000 Afghans coming over!

Two years of reading TTR’s posts without resorting to the idiot blinkers you use suggests to me that he recognises the difference between those who genuinely require sanctuary and a bunch of crims and free loaders. Once he’s reconciled himself to Forest’s doom he will no doubt return and confirm or deny this

[MadAmster]

Indeed, not seen him since he admitted he'd been wrong to slate our opening day gate once he realised gates were down everywhere.

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;39848682]

Two years of reading TTR’s posts without resorting to the idiot blinkers you use suggests to me that he recognises the difference between those who genuinely require sanctuary and a bunch of crims and free loaders.

Really? That’s what his recent reference to refugees as ‘rubber boaters’ suggests to you is it?
I think not, and tbh I’m just enjoying the break from the unremitting far right nonsense which makes up about 90% of his posts, so let’s not make a fuss...just enjoy it while it lasts.