OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

was that a slip of the pen or an insight into GP?

A slip of the key board, GP hasn't lied, just made a comment that doesn't stand up to scrutiny!

[MadAmster]

was that a slip of the pen or an insight into GP?

That was my initial thought when I read it

[MadAmster]

Was it Jim Reeves who sang about the sound of distant drums? I fear I'm detecting the sound of distant (rear) guns again 😄

over there, over there.. and do they smell, like fork n ell.

It was indeed Jim Reeves...

[swaledale]

Since 2018, John Springford at the Centre for European Reform (CER) has been modelling the economic performance of a UK that remained in the EU - using data from countries like the US, Germany, New Zealand, Norway and Australia, whose performance was similar to the UK’s before Brexit.
The difference in performance between his “doppelgänger UK economy” and the real thing is stark.
Mr Springford’s latest update estimates that Brexit reduced Britain’s GDP by 5.5% by the second quarter of 2022.

Put another way, between April and June economic output was £33 billion lower than it would have been had the UK voted to stay in the EU, costing the government around £12 billion in lost tax revenues.
In the year to the end of June 2022, Mr Springford estimates the tax loss at around £40 billion.

[swaledale]

You know Brexit has turned out ****e when a Tory MP and arch Brexit supporter says this!

Those paying attention to the detail could have told you that the Australian and New Zealand post-Brexit trade deals weren’t very good for the UK some months ago. The first hint was the antipodean media laughing at how bad they were for Britain right after they had been agreed. Yet it was still a shock to hear a Tory MP have a go at one of them, particularly a former cabinet minister doing so in the House of Commons.

“Since I now enjoy the freedom of the backbenches, I no longer have to put such a positive gloss on what was agreed. I hope my Right Honourable Friend will understand my reason for doing this, which is that unless we recognise the failures the Department for International Trade made during the Australia negotiations, we will not be able to learn the lessons for future negotiations. There are critical negotiations under way right now, notably on the CPTPP and on Canada, and it is essential that the Department does not repeat the mistakes it made. The first step is to recognise that the Australia trade deal is not actually a very good deal for the UK…..”

The former DEFRA Secretary then went on to say that “the truth of the matter is that the UK gave away far too much for far too little in return.” Eustice is not only a former cabinet member, but a staunch Brexiter (he once ran as a UKIP MEP candidate). This wasn’t a Remainer having a go at the Australian trade deal, but someone firmly of the faith, which makes it all the more remarkable.

[ramAnag]

Keep ‘em coming Swale. Truth and logic will one day prove victorious and although such posts may currently only result in a deafening silence or the tiresome accusation of being a ‘Remoaner’...one only has to look at the examples of Brazil, or Washington in the wake of Trump’s removal, to see how well the Right handle defeat.

[swaledale]

I am certain that by the time of the next election, the majority will be clamouring for some of the negative effects of Brexit to be reversed.

[ramAnag]

I am certain that by the time of the next election, the majority will be clamouring for some of the negative effects of Brexit to be reversed.

Indeed...not to mention the end of, by then, 14+ years of incompetence and misrule as exemplified by their current aim of making the withdrawal of labour in certain professions illegal.
If it wasn’t so tragic it’d be funny. As it is, it’s simply another example of brain dead arrogance and stupidity...about par for the course with this shower.

[swaledale]

So it seems those Brexiteers who predicted that Brexit would lead to the break up of the EU were wrong about that then!

Support for leaving the EU has dropped significantly, and sometimes dramatically, in member states across the bloc in the wake of the UK’s Brexit referendum, according to data from a major pan-European survey.

The European Social Survey (ESS), led by City, University of London and conducted in 30 European nations every two years since 2001, found respondents were less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available.

The largest decline in leave support was in Finland, where 28.6% of respondents who declared which way they would vote in a Brexit-style referendum answered leave in 2016-2017, but only 15.4% did in 2020-2022 – a fall of 13.2 percentage points.

Similarly stark falls between 2016 and 2022 were recorded in the Netherlands (from 23% to 13.5%), Portugal (15.7% to 6.6%), Austria (26% to 16.1%) and France (24.3% to 16%), with smaller but still statistically significant falls in Hungary (16% to 10.2%), Spain (9.3% to 4.7%) Sweden (23.9% to 19.3%), and Germany (13.6% to 11%).ld vote in a Brexit-style referendum answered leave in 2016-2017, but only 15.4% did in 2020-2022 – a fall of 13.2 percentage points.

Mathieu Gallard, research director of the leading French polling firm Ipsos, which regularly conducts surveys of European opinion, said the ESS numbers reflected a “veritable collapse” in support for leaving the EU in several countries.

Gallard said the fall in support for a leave vote most likely stemmed from “a cumulative effect combining the EU’s attitude towards the various crises of recent years, the radical right’s moderation on the subject [of leaving the EU], and the many vicissitudes of Brexit”.

[swaledale]

Brexit is going brilliantly, isn't it? Everyone's favourite vampire Jacob Rees-Mogg has confirmed it's going "swimmingly", Tim Martin has announced he's closing 40 Wetherspoons pubs, and Rishi Sunak insists we are already seeing "significant benefits" which just happen to look exactly like Project Fear said they would.

For example, "cheaper food prices after Brexit" quickly became a 16.7% increase and "unleash Britain's potential" quickly became £100 billion a year lost from the economy! Brexit is going so well, the UK is expected to be the only major economy to shrink in 2023 according to the IMF

[MadAmster]

UK pension up 10% in April, Dutch State Pension up 10% this month, Company pension up 11% this month. First increase in the company pension in 15 years, even longer than I've been drawing it. Necessary increases as far as I'm concerned. Wage increases last year were around 2.5% over here. Likely to be more over the next 12 months. Regional buses and trains on strike today. Monday to Friday next week as well. Starting to feel like the Dutch are moving towards the French modus operandus when it comes to issues. Last weekend, XR and other groups blocked the A12, a motorway that runs through the Hague in a sit down protest at the lack of progress on climate change solutions. 768 arrests were made. All now released but the cases will be in court over the next few months.

[ramAnag]

Tim Martin has announced he's closing 40 Wetherspoons pubs...

Every cloud...

[Trickytreesreds]

C'mon own up, which one of you is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpeo6lkvA3Y

[Trickytreesreds]

Tony Connelly
@tconnellyRTE
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Feb 6
NEW: The EU will accept the principle that GB goods shipped to NI and staying there should be treated differently to goods moving south into the single market and as such will agree to a green and red lane model at ports, as proposed by the UK, a senior EU official tells
@rtenews


Errrrm, wasn't this porposed in 2017 and the EU said it couldn't work?
Maybe I'm just being suspicious of political dummy spitting?

[swaledale]

IN a word no! Please Thicky don't try to understand the intricate details of treaty negotiations, there are many nuances and details that you clearly don't understand. Like this offer was always there subject to the UK having the ability through technology to track goods. The UK failed to install such technology despite saying it would. Plus of course, the UK Government threatened to pass legislation overriding the NI protocol, which led to the Eu refusing to negotiate nder duress. Now the UK appears to be actually trying to reach agreement, rather than bluster and threaten and throw insults, which is never a good way to get the other party to agree a proposal!!

You really do need to ignore the anti EU propaganda put out by the UK government in an attempt to hide its short comings!! Mind you the Tories have been blaming the EU for things which were never the EU's fault for years, so no change there.

NOTE - For the avoidance of doubt, your still on ignore, but I do so value your well researched and carefully considered comments on Brexit that I just have to choose the "view post" option on the Brexit thread. I should no better, because it never ever worth doing that but there you are.