OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

And you are not blameless in that regard so a little bit of hypocrisy on your part. But my pertinent analysis, would be that yes there is more argy bargy shall we say, but there is also some quite informative and telling discussion.

Yep I’d agree, on all counts, so I’ll add ‘me included’ to lessen the hypocrisy rap

[Andy_Faber]

I would disagree rA, the use of the sticky for football threads means those who don't wish to look or scroll through threads on other subjects don't need to. With the exception of GP of course who clearly likes to expend time on looking at threads and then make inaccurate comments about them.

Having listened (don’t faint) to todays representations I think the sticky/OT things do serve a useful purpose although I do still think that if a specific thread just degenerates into generic HMG bashing or Brexit lampooning it should be locked or merged with the two threads we currently have for that purpose

[swaledale]

Having listened (don’t faint) to todays representations I think the sticky/OT things do serve a useful purpose although I do still think that if a specific thread just degenerates into generic HMG bashing or Brexit lampooning it should be locked or merged with the two threads we currently have for that purpose

I can see where your coming from, but that leaves threads at the mercy of those who intentionally or otherwise, post stuff on the wrong thread, I can see it makes work for you as a Mod, but surely removing posts that stray off the subject would be better? Of course I realise that can be a hostage to fortune given some interpretations, but generally if a post reflects the title of a thread then thats fine.

[ramAnag]

I think a more pertinent analysis would Be to compare the amount of name calling, mudslinging and general nastiness on football/sport threads versus the politics threads. The Brexit thread is proof absolute that quantity does NOT equal quality

Isn’t that simply because we’re all, with one exception, Rams’ fans...but our politics are varied and different?

[Andy_Faber]

Isn’t that simply because we’re all, with one exception, Rams’ fans...but our politics are varied and different?

I’d agree if even 20% of the posts were mature discussion, but they haven’t been, and I doubt if all the preaching has moved anyone’s view 1%

[macstheman]

Isn’t that simply because we’re all, with one exception, Rams’ fans...but our politics are varied and different?

That is the problem rA, political 'discussion' nearly always becomes emotive, then aggressive and finally thoroughly nasty. I was once, in a previous life, actively involved in the local Labour Party. Now, you'd think that with like political leanings everyone would sing from the same hymn sheet! Far from it, some of the back-stabbing, in-fighting, spite, nastiness and even physical aggression was unbelievable. I didn't survive long!
My best mate was similarly involved with the Liberals and his experience was not much different to mine though perhaps a little less excessive.
We concluded that politics wasn't for us and stuck to more enjoyable pastimes involving DCFC and real ale Pubs!!

[ramAnag]

That is the problem rA, political 'discussion' nearly always becomes emotive, then aggressive and finally thoroughly nasty. I was once, in a previous life, actively involved in the local Labour Party. Now, you'd think that with like political leanings everyone would sing from the same hymn sheet! Far from it, some of the back-stabbing, in-fighting, spite, nastiness and even physical aggression was unbelievable. I didn't survive long!
My best mate was similarly involved with the Liberals and his experience was not much different to mine though perhaps a little less excessive.
We concluded that politics wasn't for us and stuck to more enjoyable pastimes involving DCFC and real ale Pubs!!

I have no difficulty believing it, mac. Still...you and your mate proved that the Lib/Lab pact could exist, albeit within the confines of DCFC and real ale pubs...and good on ya for that.

For my part I absolutely 100% agree that we can do without the name calling and petty vendettas on here, but I think it would be sad if the conclusion is that we aren’t capable of adult debate/argument over the important issues of the day and have to be treated like infants.

So for me...let the debates - whatever they are - continue...and sanction those guilty of personal attack/name calling. That’s what mods are for.

[MadAmster]

Yes it is. So are you saying that all football is about DCFC only?

WOW, just WOW.

I have to admit that I am absolutely amazed at how you got that from me posting the name of this forum along with a copy of the header. It's a Derby County Forum and as such its major aim is DCFC. I mentioned NOTHING about "all football", you did.

The Red Dogs Mad Forum is predominantly about interesting stuff regarding NFFC which may well be why there's been a mere handful of posts in the past 2 years or so

[Trickytreesreds]

I have to admit that I am absolutely amazed at how you got that from me posting the name of this forum along with a copy of the header. It's a Derby County Forum and as such its major aim is DCFC. I mentioned NOTHING about "all football", you did.

The Red Dogs Mad Forum is predominantly about interesting stuff regarding NFFC which may well be why there's been a mere handful of posts in the past 2 years or so

Sorry. but wrong,

The issue is one of behaviour. Let’s face it...if this was nothing more than a football forum you wouldn’t be here.
For ‘football’ read ‘DCFC’...you’d have nothing to say and nothing to offer

If it was nothing more than a football forum, I wouldn't be here? What a load of tosh. Football covers a vast array of subjects and doesn't just involve DCFC.
If you are saying it is, then you need to adhere to that and never speak about anything unless it involves DCFC
It isn't rocket science chap.

[ramAnag]

Having listened (don’t faint) to todays representations I think the sticky/OT things do serve a useful purpose although I do still think that if a specific thread just degenerates into generic HMG bashing or Brexit lampooning it should be locked or merged with the two threads we currently have for that purpose

With respect, AF...I’ll give way on the sticky thing, but I don’t think the two threads in question are either ‘generic HMG bashing’ or ‘Brexit lampooning’.
The former stemmed directly from Zahawi’s handling of his own tax affairs as being symptomatic of the Tory leadership’s handling of matters over the last three to four years and the Brexit thread - despite GP querying whether a thread entitled ‘The future’ Bright, the future’s Brexit !!!’ is actually about Brexit - is bound to have ongoing relevance as we now witness the impact of the reality of Brexit every single day.
Swale may have his failings - as do we all - but I for one find his weekly (ish) observations on the subject both objective and informed. The fact that reaction to them often leads to infantile abuse is a separate matter.

More importantly, as regards the forum, what did we learn from yesterday? Well...imo.

1. That there is no appetite for name calling, personal insults and general rudeness.

2. That there is a consensus for those who indulge in such practice to be sanctioned accordingly.

3. That there is support for the idea of having an additional moderator and that this should be considered as a means of both alleviating your ‘workload’ (especially when you’re away) and encouraging greater objectivity where the likelihood of a hopefully temporary increase in ‘bans’ is concerned. NB This isn’t a challenge to your ‘authority’...it’s just that experience of this forum would suggest that two or more moderators work better than one.

4. Maybe more personal...that stand alone threads should be allowed on any subject (within the bounds of decency) from football to politics to music to motor racing to TV and including all sorts of other sporting and topical issues. Taking two of my own threads as an example...if people want to discuss them...eg the Johnson thread from last July...they will...if people don’t want to discuss them...eg the Pelé thread...they won’t.

Thoughts? Will anything change?

[ramAnag]

Sorry. but wrong,

The issue is one of behaviour. Let’s face it...if this was nothing more than a football forum you wouldn’t be here.
For ‘football’ read ‘DCFC’...you’d have nothing to say and nothing to offer

If it was nothing more than a football forum, I wouldn't be here? What a load of tosh. Football covers a vast array of subjects and doesn't just involve DCFC.
If you are saying it is, then you need to adhere to that and never speak about anything unless it involves DCFC
It isn't rocket science chap.

Tricky, arguing with MA by quoting me doesn’t work.

I’ve covered the football thing. Generally speaking and where football is concerned we are largely concerned on here with Derby County. I’ve demonstrated, or attempted to, that other more general football matters attract little interest.

The only time you comment on matters Derby County is when things are going pear shaped eg...you were all over it when the Keogh/Lawrence affair was in the news or when we were in desperate trouble last season. On those occasions you couldn’t stay away, but as far as more mainstream DCFC matters are concerned you don’t watch us, know little about us and have nothing to offer.

Hence your main attraction to this thread is the more contentious political threads and hence my comment, ‘if it was nothing more than a football forum you wouldn’t be here’.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm not convinced you'd be here either!! You seem to love the cut and thrust of the political more than the football just my view based on observation, not meant as criticism

[Andy_Faber]

With respect, AF...I’ll give way on the sticky thing, but I don’t think the two threads in question are either ‘generic HMG bashing’ or ‘Brexit lampooning’.
The former stemmed directly from Zahawi’s handling of his own tax affairs as being symptomatic of the Tory leadership’s handling of matters over the last three to four years and the Brexit thread - despite GP querying whether a thread entitled ‘The future’ Bright, the future’s Brexit !!!’ is actually about Brexit - is bound to have ongoing relevance as we now witness the impact of the reality of Brexit every single day.
Swale may have his failings - as do we all - but I for one find his weekly (ish) observations on the subject both objective and informed. The fact that reaction to them often leads to infantile abuse is a separate matter.

More importantly, as regards the forum, what did we learn from yesterday? Well...imo.

1. That there is no appetite for name calling, personal insults and general rudeness.

2. That there is a consensus for those who indulge in such practice to be sanctioned accordingly.

3. That there is support for the idea of having an additional moderator and that this should be considered as a means of both alleviating your ‘workload’ (especially when you’re away) and encouraging greater objectivity where the likelihood of a hopefully temporary increase in ‘bans’ is concerned. NB This isn’t a challenge to your ‘authority’...it’s just that experience of this forum would suggest that two or more moderators work better than one.

4. Maybe more personal...that stand alone threads should be allowed on any subject (within the bounds of decency) from football to politics to music to motor racing to TV and including all sorts of other sporting and topical issues. Taking two of my own threads as an example...if people want to discuss them...eg the Johnson thread from last July...they will...if people don’t want to discuss them...eg the Pelé thread...they won’t.

Thoughts? Will anything change?

1. Agreed but that will also apply to thread hijacking

2. Agreed but that will also apply to thread hijacking

3. My observation is there’s been one person banging on constantly about it and others saying yes it might be a good idea (including me) but the issue is that the admin doesnt respond to messages or emails (it’s an issue amongst other mods too) so things won’t change until he breaks cover. I will try again

4. Yesterdays comments suggested a mix of views and on that basis while I’m mod discrete threads will stay but reflecting the purpose of the forum (and this is actually what I’ve practised for almost all the time I’ve been mod, and before you look and report back I’m sure there will be errors and exceptions) DCFC threads will always be sticky, other footy threads probably, other sports threads possibly, other subjects not, and any thread hijacking will result in merging of threads, or moving or deleting of posts. I repeat that’s pretty much how I’ve run things since day 1 and how I’ve run other php style boards since the Metal Hammer board back in the early days of the internet with few complaints

Reinforcing macs observation above, people aren’t the problem, people wanting to discuss politics are. This place should be like a pub bar not an activists meeting IMO

[MadAmster]

Sorry. but wrong,

The issue is one of behaviour. Let’s face it...if this was nothing more than a football forum you wouldn’t be here.
For ‘football’ read ‘DCFC’...you’d have nothing to say and nothing to offer

If it was nothing more than a football forum, I wouldn't be here? What a load of tosh. Football covers a vast array of subjects and doesn't just involve DCFC.
If you are saying it is, then you need to adhere to that and never speak about anything unless it involves DCFC
It isn't rocket science chap.

When the majority on a forum entitled "Derby County Mad" came here, predominantly, because they are fans of Derby County, then the thought that it is, first and foremost, a Derby County Forum and that football in general, other sports, music, politics and anything else that may crop up from time to time is not the forum's major raison d'etre, shouldn't surprise anyone... except, it seems, your good self.

Derby County first and anything else down the queue. Just as the desert that is NFFC Mad is, first and foremost, for NFFC related stuff.

[ramAnag]

I'm not convinced you'd be here either!! You seem to love the cut and thrust of the political more than the football just my view based on observation, not meant as criticism

I’d be here, GP...because above all else, as far as this forum is concerned, I’m a Derby fan. Yes...I comment on much of the other stuff (motor racing and golf apart but that’s just my personal preference/ignorance)...but the first thing that attracted me to the forum was an interest in DCFC.

‘Love the cut and thrust of the political more than the football’? Not really...it’s just that the political/topical debates tend to be more enduring than the two or three days spent unpicking our most recent performance. With only two transfer windows available its not as if we have anything to explore in that area either until next summer when, without ‘alternative’ threads the forum would possibly just die.