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[MadAmster]

Add in the fact that the Dutch didn't bother planting them and the shortage is real.


But propaganda only half told, fuels your cause if applied correctly.

The first sentence quoted is misleading at best. The second one tells what the first sentence is, half told propaganda.

One of the biggest employment areas within 10Km of my house is greenhouses growing food and flowers. There's an awful lot. I explained a few days back how more than one grower in the area has been hit by the cost of heating (gas powered), watering (irrigation is an automated process here and uses a lot of electricity) and lighting (again electricity, a good % of which is generated by gas power) the greenhouses.

I know of one that has ceased operations (one of my neighbours is now out of a job) and many that have cut back on production and are reducing staffing levels. Not because they "couldn't be bothered" but because the price of energy would be extremely high and the supermarkets and wholesalers wouldn't be prepared to pay sufficient at auction to cover the production costs.

The article you posted mentions the weather, something I did last week as well. It also quotes "empty Dutch greenhouses due to high energy bills". I posted that last week as well. Quite how you, TTR, managed to translate what I wrote and what the article you posted wrote into "Add in the fact that the Dutch didn't bother planting them" is gobsmackingly amazing. Maybe you can explain the thought process that got you to reach your "Dutch didn't bother" claim? That explanation might help the rest of us to understand how you got to some of the other conclusions you reach.... I won't, however, be holding my breath.

In simple words, TTR, Dutch growers are either growing less or not at all because they can't afford to grow things. Not because they "didn't bother". Do you now understand?

[SithHappens]

Surely its simple, if you cannot produce a product competitively and without loss then you will simply not produce it?

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't see why anyone, legally seeking asylum, should not be treated well. They're in desperate need of help, not punishment. Nothing to do with EU membership, it's about doing the right thing. If they're illegal or fail, then by all means deport them.

I agree.
So lets take that and look at it.
France has been using containers refitted out as dwellings and using camps.
We can't even use old army camps, that our troops used, because charities and lefty judges use the EU rules to stop it.
So as a result, we currently spend £7 million a day on 4 and 5 star hotels?
Yet all over the world camps are an acceptable entity.

We are running out of hotels so now we are expanding into social care homes/ schools etc.
If you think its hard to get a dwelling now for yourself, take a look at Sercos latest offering.
They are about to grab all the private rentals they can.

You think this is acceptable? I certainly don't, never mind the social unrest and fallout with peoples lively hoods.
Just read this. If you was a private landlord, would you rather take this money spinner on, or chase around a client using housing benefit?

https://www.serco.com/uk/sites/serco-aasc/landlords

No sorry, this is an example of EU law exploited by certain folks, that causes pain to many. Never mind it being a carrot to many more donkeys.

[Trickytreesreds]

Speaking of ‘better numbers’. What do we make of the requirement to provide photo ID at future elections?
I appreciate there may be a problem with voter fraud...although I think it is a comparatively tiny issue.
More important, imo, are the dual needs of a) making it easier rather than harder to vote and b) ensuring that manifestos are routed in truth, honesty and accountability as opposed to lies and falsehoods.

Personally, I think its correct to do so. I also feel every one should have a national ID.
This goes futher than voter fraud, the black labour market springs to mind.

I wouldn't endorse Blairs totallarian approach, but ID yes. I carry ID all the time, its called a driving license, so what's the problem?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Surely its simple, if you cannot produce a product competitively and without loss then you will simply not produce it?

Sorry to go all accountant-y on you Sith, but that depends on how you define "loss". So long as you cover your direct costs, then whatever is left at least abates your fixed overheads. So you may still produce something even if it creates an overall loss, as long as that loss is less than the loss by not producing.

The UK farming industry has been doing that for years, as they have to bear a very large fixed equipment overhead year on year.

[ramAnag]

Technical note, your driving liceence DOESN'T qualify as photo ID in some places where the recognition is by scanning rather than by eye, as the format of the photo isn't compatible with the software/hardware of the systems! No point in any direction being made other than what a multi-million pound f*** up

I thought the two generally accepted most common forms of photo ID were driving licences and passports...even though my driving licence photo is at least 15 years old.

If that isn’t the case I can only foresee a huge reduction in those eligible to vote...on the subject of which...if your assertion that many voted to leave the EU as a ‘protest against non EU immigration’ is true, and I’m not disputing it, then perhaps there should be!

[Andy_Faber]

Sorry to go all accountant-y on you Sith, but that depends on how you define "loss". So long as you cover your direct costs, then whatever is left at least abates your fixed overheads. So you may still produce something even if it creates an overall loss, as long as that loss is less than the loss by not producing.

The UK farming industry has been doing that for years, as they have to bear a very large fixed equipment overhead year on year.

opportunity cost?

[SithHappens]

I agree.
So lets take that and look at it.
France has been using containers refitted out as dwellings and using camps.
We can't even use old army camps, that our troops used, because charities and lefty judges use the EU rules to stop it.
So as a result, we currently spend £7 million a day on 4 and 5 star hotels?
Yet all over the world camps are an acceptable entity.

We are running out of hotels so now we are expanding into social care homes/ schools etc.
If you think its hard to get a dwelling now for yourself, take a look at Sercos latest offering.
They are about to grab all the private rentals they can.

You think this is acceptable? I certainly don't, never mind the social unrest and fallout with peoples lively hoods.
Just read this. If you was a private landlord, would you rather take this money spinner on, or chase around a client using housing benefit?

https://www.serco.com/uk/sites/serco-aasc/landlords

No sorry, this is an example of EU law exploited by certain folks, that causes pain to many. Never mind it being a carrot to many more donkeys.

Must admit im a private landlord and had never seen that before. We do have a letting agent so have no chasing around to do, and tenants must pass a credit check. But if/when our existing tenants move out id be interested in that definately.

[SithHappens]

Sorry to go all accountant-y on you Sith, but that depends on how you define "loss". So long as you cover your direct costs, then whatever is left at least abates your fixed overheads. So you may still produce something even if it creates an overall loss, as long as that loss is less than the loss by not producing.

The UK farming industry has been doing that for years, as they have to bear a very large fixed equipment overhead year on year.

Yes of course, its just to support MA comments that there was more to it than simply not being bothered.

[MadAmster]

Here's a few little bits.

NI now has what it had pre Brexit. The majority of Tory MPs (ERG excepted) think it's great. Labour will back it. It will become Law unless the DUP scuppers it. It appears both the Tories and Labour are backing NI-in but leaving the rest of the UK Brexited. IMO that seems to point to Brexit having been a bad idea (that or a good one poorly executed). I'm still in the return the EU to a Free Trade Area camp but I'm aware I'll never get that.

Photo ID. ID has been compulsory for everybody over the age of 15 in NL since Feb 6th 1919. Since its introduction, the age limit has reduced to 14 and photoID has been added. It can be a passport, driving licence or an ID card issued by the local council. Police know who you are if they arrest you. Medical services know who you are if you are taken ill. They can contact family quicker and easier. As long as you're not up to no good, what's the problem. Google etc don't only know who you are, they also know where you are, how many bars, restaurants, shops etc you've been into. We are already monitored 24/7, is being able to prove your identity really an issue any more?

The proposed "new" NI protocol. Treating one part of the Union differently to another goes against the Act of Union. Does Sunak realise this new "idea" could give the SNP the bullet to kill the Act of Union and remove Scotland from it and then negotiate entry to the EU?

[Trickytreesreds]

Must admit im a private landlord and had never seen that before. We do have a letting agent so have no chasing around to do, and tenants must pass a credit check. But if/when our existing tenants move out id be interested in that definately.

Well there you have it.
A landlord, sees that a company is offering to run/maintain/manage/ guarantee a long term lease to asylum seekers, at the expense of native low end renters who will have no where to live?

If you read the article clearly, you will see, it is seeking out family homes/ care homes/ residential+ student accomodation.

Greedy landlords will see this as an opportunity and turf out existing tennents in scarce areas.
All because of an EU ruling snow balling.
Brilliant.

Imagine if you owned a private house and suddenly next door was rented out to Serco, with 6 Albanian young men moving in?
Your life gets very worrying and your property price has suddenly dropped as well.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I agree.
So lets take that and look at it.
France has been using containers refitted out as dwellings and using camps.
We can't even use old army camps, that our troops used, because charities and lefty judges use the EU rules to stop it.
So as a result, we currently spend £7 million a day on 4 and 5 star hotels?
Yet all over the world camps are an acceptable entity.

We are running out of hotels so now we are expanding into social care homes/ schools etc.
If you think its hard to get a dwelling now for yourself, take a look at Sercos latest offering.
They are about to grab all the private rentals they can.

You think this is acceptable? I certainly don't, never mind the social unrest and fallout with peoples lively hoods.
Just read this. If you was a private landlord, would you rather take this money spinner on, or chase around a client using housing benefit?

https://www.serco.com/uk/sites/serco-aasc/landlords

No sorry, this is an example of EU law exploited by certain folks, that causes pain to many. Never mind it being a carrot to many more donkeys.

TTR: now you've baffled me here. The French, who are still members of the EU and subject to EU rules use container encampments. The UK are not allowed to do the same because of EU rules, despite not being in the EU or bound by their rules.

So if we accept such rules exist, why are they not being enforced in France? Or if we accept they don't exist (by virtue of French conduct) why do we "obey" them?

You appear to suggest that EU rules apply to non member states but not to their own members? Seems to me that the EU is getting blamed for something you just don't like - ie giving refugees top grade accomodation.

[SithHappens]

I can just see Mr and Mrs Van Der Berg in 1919 pondering how to use these new fangled cameras for their ID cards.

[Geoff Parkstone]

opportunity cost?

Contribution analytics....

[Geoff Parkstone]

Must admit im a private landlord and had never seen that before. We do have a letting agent so have no chasing around to do, and tenants must pass a credit check. But if/when our existing tenants move out id be interested in that definately.

Jam the rents up 25% you'll soon get rid of them and can join the SERCO gravy train