OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Pot and kettle again Fail, never cover the whole picture do you?
The Labour party is said to have received hundreds of thousands in donations from investor and hedge fund manager Martin Taylor since 2012 - including up to £95,000 to Sir Keir Starmer’s 2020 leadership campaign. Mr Taylor co-managed the Nevsky fund, which had significant investments in the Russian economy, holding stocks in Russia’s state-owned bank Sberbank, its oil producer Lukoil, as well as its multinational energy corporation Gazprom.

Putin trade-
yearh how did that work out then?
Lets trade with Putin and let him control the energy flow. Then when he does what he wants, he threatens to turn the taps off and has us bricking ourselves.
I'm glad you don't pull the strings Fail, we'd all be in jack boots or gulags by now.

Still wish we are liable for the trillion loan as well? More basket cases to bail out soon.
Oh the joys

Oh you really are a rather dim aren't you? For one, we weren't talking about Labour, for two you were erroneously suggesting that being out of the EU meant we were free from Russian influence, when actually if you knew anything, you would see it suits Putin just fine for the EU to be weaker.

Well I don't ever recall you flagging up the dangers of trading with Russia before but in any case, your looking in the wrong direction, the real threat comes from elsewhere.

Your comment about jack boots and gulags is ironic, your the one that would have made a "good" German back in the day. I mean it was you lauding the military dictatorship that is Thailand as the way to go?

[SithHappens]

Off topic, but as tricky has appeared again genuinely would like to get his take on the going ons down the road.

[swaledale]

It is amazing that in all the budget commentary almost no attention is paid to Brexit costing £40bn of lost annual tax revenue. The OBR, Goldman Sachs, Tony Blair Institute and the Centre for European Reform all estimate lost output at a minimum of 4%GDP

[MadAmster]

It is amazing that in all the budget commentary almost no attention is paid to Brexit costing £40bn of lost annual tax revenue. The OBR, Goldman Sachs, Tony Blair Institute and the Centre for European Reform all estimate lost output at a minimum of 4%GDP

HMG put the lid on it, maybe?

[swaledale]

HMG put the lid on it, maybe?

Your not suggesting that most of the media is a puppet of the current government surely?

[MadAmster]

Your not suggesting that most of the media is a puppet of the current government surely?

Would I ever?

[Trickytreesreds]

You missed Khan crying over it as well. Of course all those lovley fact producers had/have no bias to what they want do they?

Lets just look at the reasosn why, starting with Tory failure to pusg the boat fully out and take advantage.
GDP is always the figure use to defend 700 000 immigrants flooding into the country, which a lower production industry than Europe countries ike Germany.
You Swale scream, immigration , immigrtaion, immigration. But lets look at the downside of that. U.K. real GDP per capita has barely risen above pre-Covid levels and currently stands 4% above the mid-2016 level, it said. That compares to 8% for the euro zone area and 15% for the U.S.

More bodies= less capita per body. Immigration from the EU has fallen — a key pledge of the Vote Leave campaign — only to be replaced by a less economically active cohort of non-EU migrants, primarily students. Basically, import low value immigration and their bloated families, to drain the coffers and keep the minimum wage love fest alive.

Australia takes in 66,000 “temporary migrants who reside in Australia for several years but never transition to permanent residence”
Even true immigrants are less than 200 000 all in. But not the UK, lets open the doors up and ruin everyones quality of life.
Labour started it and the Tories let it carry on. The Aussies cherry pick the best- in age/health/qualifications/ clean slate of criminality to aid and push their growth.

Lets not paint the picture of all is rosy in the EU either. It isn't, https://economy-finance.ec.europa.eu...enging-year_en

Not forgetting that unemployment is 3% higher in the EU as well. Under 25's a shocking 15%

We can all paint a picture, but it depends on what paints you use and how big the view on canvas is.

[swaledale]

You missed Khan crying over it as well. Of course all those lovley fact producers had/have no bias to what they want do they?

Lets just look at the reasosn why, starting with Tory failure to pusg the boat fully out and take advantage.
GDP is always the figure use to defend 700 000 immigrants flooding into the country, which a lower production industry than Europe countries ike Germany.
You Swale scream, immigration , immigrtaion, immigration. But lets look at the downside of that. U.K. real GDP per capita has barely risen above pre-Covid levels and currently stands 4% above the mid-2016 level, it said. That compares to 8% for the euro zone area and 15% for the U.S.

More bodies= less capita per body. Immigration from the EU has fallen — a key pledge of the Vote Leave campaign — only to be replaced by a less economically active cohort of non-EU migrants, primarily students. Basically, import low value immigration and their bloated families, to drain the coffers and keep the minimum wage love fest alive.

Australia takes in 66,000 “temporary migrants who reside in Australia for several years but never transition to permanent residence”
Even true immigrants are less than 200 000 all in. But not the UK, lets open the doors up and ruin everyones quality of life.
Labour started it and the Tories let it carry on. The Aussies cherry pick the best- in age/health/qualifications/ clean slate of criminality to aid and push their growth.

Lets not paint the picture of all is rosy in the EU either. It isn't, https://economy-finance.ec.europa.eu...enging-year_en

Not forgetting that unemployment is 3% higher in the EU as well. Under 25's a shocking 15%

We can all paint a picture, but it depends on what paints you use and how big the view on canvas is.

Anyone would think your fixated on immigration Tricky! And you still have to come up with how you would address the falling birth rate, an increasing older population and a consequent lack of workforce that will continue to stagnate the economy.

In any case, these are actual quantifiable FACTS, not pie in the sky *******s fed to the credulous like yourself.

Of course I would assume your all in favour of a compete change in economic thinking, where growth isn't the aim, but the creation of an equal sustainable economy, with the aim of reducing the gross inequality between those that have the wealth and those that don't, a fair and equitable division of the wealth generated by all, a tax system that favours redistribution and possibly a universal income?

I do laugh whenever a Brexit voter or supporter, claims the failure of Brexit is down to the failure of this government to take the opportunities Brexit gave the UK. Please explain, what are these ****ing opportunities? because to date nobody has explained exactly how Brexit hasn't been delivered properly.

[MadAmster]

Anyone would think your fixated on immigration Tricky! And you still have to come up with how you would address the falling birth rate, an increasing older population and a consequent lack of workforce that will continue to stagnate the economy.

In any case, these are actual quantifiable FACTS, not pie in the sky *******s fed to the credulous like yourself.

Of course I would assume your all in favour of a compete change in economic thinking, where growth isn't the aim, but the creation of an equal sustainable economy, with the aim of reducing the gross inequality between those that have the wealth and those that don't, a fair and equitable division of the wealth generated by all, a tax system that favours redistribution and possibly a universal income?

I do laugh whenever a Brexit voter or supporter, claims the failure of Brexit is down to the failure of this government to take the opportunities Brexit gave the UK. Please explain, what are these ****ing opportunities? because to date nobody has explained exactly how Brexit hasn't been delivered properly.

Easy Swale, failure to stop immigration, innit? No border control, me owd. They should have employed DHL to do the delivery

[Trickytreesreds]

oh dear, the pain the pain.

https://www.cityam.com/services-trade-sees-uk-become-worlds-fourth-largest-exporter/

[swaledale]

oh dear, the pain the pain.

https://www.cityam.com/services-trad...gest-exporter/

The pain of somebody who doesn't have a scooby do about these things is indeed terrible.

These figures do need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Trade in services can be hard to measure: exports can consist of as little as a visit to a website or a phone call, and national statistics offices struggle to identify where exactly the work is being billed. What is more, the Office for National Statistics has recently made large adjustments to the trade figures to reconcile different measures of gross domestic product. Removing these adjustments would put the country back in the middle of the g7 pack rather than at the top, says Sophie Hale, an economist at the Resolution Foundation.

It also bears knowing who benefits from most of this trade and it isn't in the wage packets of those deluded souls who voted for it. Neither does much of this "trade" finish up as additional tax income, given its generally offshored.

But hey, you have so little to cling to with respect to your Brexit dream, so go right ahead and wish those bankers, financiers and consultants all the best.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Bet your experts could beat mine in a fight too....

[MadAmster]

Face it. Whatever happens, the rich don't suffer. They may lose a bit short term but they end up better off than they were before whatever crisis it was.

Het was thus with the bank crash in '08, Covid, Ukraine and every other crisis you can think of. When will the general population finally realise that the entire system is designed to keep the rich richer and the rest in their place?

Things have to change. I don't know about the UK but over here, tax on income derived from work is much higher than tax on income gained through capital, be that company profits, dividends, income through renting out homes and business places. I firmly believe all income should be equally taxed. I do, however, realise that no single country can do that unilaterally as any multinationals based there plus many large national companies would move their head office to another country with lower tax rates.

[swaledale]

What I like about the ardent Brexiteer, is that their arguments are akin to pointing out that a man who voluntarily amputated his leg can actually still walk!!

meanwhile back in the real world the prices of food and other goods increases solely due to the import checks now being imposed, many SME's no longer bother to export to the EU due to the costs involved, or if they do have set up a distribution centre in the EU to do so, removing both jobs and revenue from the UK economy. None of the trade dals are in any way better than what the UK had with the EU beforehand, some in fact are disadvantageous to UK farmers. We might have more control over our fishing areas, but as the Uk fisherman had largely sold their quotas to EU fleets the situation hasn't changed and the failure of the UK Government to reach a deal with Norway over fishing in their areas and the inability to use Russian waters instead has buggered what's left of the UK's deep sea fishing fleet.

Meanwhile legal immigration has risen and since Brexit, we have Asylum seekers coming across the channel which was hardly the case before Brexit and the Government is not processing those in a timely fashion and "losing" thousands before they do.


I mean Brexit has been a massive success all round and if you need an expert to tell you that then your more than likely incapable of basic rational thinking!!

[ramAnag]

You Swale scream, immigration , immigrtaion, immigration.

Oh the irony…you of all people accusing others of ‘screaming’ about immigration.

How’s that thread of yours doing? Stimulated much discussion? Very flattered to have a thread dedicated to little old me but there was really no need…it’s all your own work, I just thought it might provide a home for all your anti Islam/immigrant rhetoric, well away from the other couple of political threads.