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[Geoff Parkstone]

I thought Mallorca was part of Spain?

[swaledale]

I think you’ll find it’s nothing to do with Brexit as it’s a Schengen area rule

Given it applies to citizens of countries not in the EU or single market it clearly is a side result of Brexit.

[swaledale]

It’s positive PM wants to fix country’s relationship with the EU but if we now face tax hikes & cuts to public services to fill a £20bn black hole in the public finances we must have an honest discussion about the negative impact of Brexit & the role it has played in creating it

[Geoff Parkstone]

If UK wasn't in Schengen before Brexit and isn't post Brexit, how can Brexit have impacted the application of their rules?

You might as well say that Brexit has changed our compliance with the Arab Cooperation Council rules. We weren't in that before Brexit and still aren't now.

[Andy_Faber]

You can wriggle as much as you like AF, the increased (admittedly minor) cost of travel and the huge increases in inconvenience ARE down to Brexit whether directly or indirectly. You, like me, are probably not going to be greatly impacted by the extra cost, but set aside your ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude for a moment and spare a thought for the family of four or five…last thing they need.

No wriggling on my part, I just pointed out what I believe was a factual inaccuracy, happy to be proved wrong, but being given the usual lecture on all things Brexit is not a correction it’s a demonstration of political irritability which I’m glad I don’t suffer from. Not a criticism just an observation

[Trickytreesreds]

Schengen is a con, that was only in place for the zealots wanting a United Europe. FRee movement has caused nothing but trouble, from job overload, to terrorists moving county to country unchecked.

If £6 is such a bind to someones life and having your fingerprints taken, then I suggest you don't travel. It happens all over the world , yet we get a government that acts like borders don't exist and are more porous than a tea bag,

The more checks the better and every illegal should be subject to 10 times the checks.

Still could be worse

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/27/border-controls-are-last-resort-brussels-says-after-solingen-attack-inflames-migration-deb

[Trickytreesreds]

the black hole lie,

What about this fully costed and guaranteed manifesto?
How come when have a black hole, Starmer is giving away billions over seas with all this green scam?
We can find billions for unions screams?
We fund Ukraine to the tune of billions?
Not to mention the asylum scam eating billions of tax payers money. So much for his stop the gangs.
Foreign aid scam? Britons are shelling out for projects like an all-female traditional opera in Shanghai, a rural crafts exhibition in Shenzhen in southern China,
Yet pensioners are fair game and pay the tv license

Comedy gold from a clown who hasn't a clue

[Geoff Parkstone]

Most of that stuff preceded the change in government (except the screaming unions bit, which was as predictable as Forest not winning the PL)

[ramAnag]

I thought Mallorca was part of Spain?

Sigh, yes…obviously…but your response identified the problem as relating to ‘Spain’ in general. My point is that Spain - as a whole - would struggle to survive without tourism whereas the problem is actually specific to certain areas, of which Mallorca is the clearest example of ‘over tourism’.

[ramAnag]

No wriggling on my part, I just pointed out what I believe was a factual inaccuracy, happy to be proved wrong, but being given the usual lecture on all things Brexit is not a correction it’s a demonstration of political irritability which I’m glad I don’t suffer from. Not a criticism just an observation

…and no ‘lecture’ on mine. It’s just patently obvious that Brexit has had a negative impact upon those of us who wish to travel in Europe and yes, it is irritating. As you know I never believed a word of it…but we were told Brexit would improve our quality of life…it hasn’t, it’s done the exact opposite.

Just read post 9242 again. In very few words it tells you all you need to know.

[SithHappens]

The question in my head is will ROI residents need to go through the new security processes to travel to the Schengan area, and buy the visa waiver?

From what I understand it's no, but happy to be corrected.

If the answer is Yes then it's true that this is not a consequence of brexit. If the answer is No then it means it is very much a consequence of brexit.

[SithHappens]

…and no ‘lecture’ on mine. It’s just patently obvious that Brexit has had a negative impact upon those of us who wish to travel in Europe and yes, it is irritating. As you know I never believed a word of it…but we were told Brexit would improve our quality of life…it hasn’t, it’s done the exact opposite.

Just read post 9242 again. In very few words it tells you all you need to know.

Like TTR says it could be worse and it could.

It's like my brother in law stating that losing the ability to use your mobile abroad within your uk package is a small sacrifice for not having brussels making all our rules, despite him not being able to name a single rule that's been forced on us.

That's the message isn't it, it could be worse, it's no great hardship etc etc.

Like you say it was supposed to be better, for every downside there would be a vastly superior upside. My wife's haulage business is yet to see any upside despite many many downsides, I'm sure they aren't alone.

Still, my brother in law complaining about the cost to obtain the relevant certification for their dog for their trip to the continent, yeah have to admit thats something I enjoyed hearing and is definitely a positive consequence from brexit for the chuckle factor, if not to his wallet.

[Trickytreesreds]

Most of that stuff preceded the change in government (except the screaming unions bit, which was as predictable as Forest not winning the PL)

absolutely, I wouldn't dream of defending them in the slightest

[Trickytreesreds]

Sigh, yes…obviously…but your response identified the problem as relating to ‘Spain’ in general. My point is that Spain - as a whole - would struggle to survive without tourism whereas the problem is actually specific to certain areas, of which Mallorca is the clearest example of ‘over tourism’.

It isn't just Majorca.
Apparently, they only wnat those that spend loads every day. Funny how times change, when Spain was a donkey country they were desperate for anyone to come.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-18/the-pain-in-spain-where-are-brits-not-welcome-this-summer

[MadAmster]

Did you really think immigration could be stopped, legally, inside 4 weeks. Getting at the gangs will take a while, won't it?

Foreign Aid. Do you know why we grant most of the foreign aid we do, and I mean the real reason? If so, I'd love to see your explanation to see if it coincides with the truth.

Only a small part of it, to areas of natural disasters like 'quakes etc or excess famine is "out of the goodness of our hearts" and the real reason is the same the world over, not just in the UK