OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

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Major, the globalists best friend. He was pushing France and Germany for a European superstate and was happy for us to play second fiddle to them
Thatcher at least fought for the UK to get equal dibs. This plank was all for giving it away

[MadAmster]

Geert Wilders. He's spent the past 20 years out-Farridging Farridge. Brilliant at pointing out what's wrong and never, ever having a solution. He became the largest party at the November elections (I say he because he IS the party. The one and only member and no-one else can join). He is now leader of one of the 4 parties in the coalition. He's suddenly become Neo Liberal in his outlook.

He has been pushing for a Nexit for years. Now he's in power, he's dropped it as a policy. It wasn't even in his manifesto last November.

He always pushed to leave the Euro. That didn't make the November manifesto.

He was anti helping Ukraine. Now in power he's said NL will support Ukraine for as long as is necessary.

He wanted to scrap the €385 a year "excess" for medical assistance. During the election he was very forceful in saying it should be scrapped and he would do that immediately. That's now been watered down to a reduction to €165 but that won't happen until 2027. He doesn't seem to realise that the €220 reduction in the excess will be added to everybody's annual health insurance by the Insurance companies.

He would immediately raise the minimum wage by a healthy amount. He now realises that would put a fair few folk out of a job. It hasn't been raised.

Basically, he came across as far right in relation to immigration and his anti Islam stance and very much as a left wing socialist in his socio economic policies. Now as head of the largest party and responsible for what the government does, he's gone all neo liberal.

IMO, Farridge would go exactly the same way if in power.

[Trickytreesreds]

Geert Wilders. He's spent the past 20 years out-Farridging Farridge. Brilliant at pointing out what's wrong and never, ever having a solution. He became the largest party at the November elections (I say he because he IS the party. The one and only member and no-one else can join). He is now leader of one of the 4 parties in the coalition. He's suddenly become Neo Liberal in his outlook.

He has been pushing for a Nexit for years. Now he's in power, he's dropped it as a policy. It wasn't even in his manifesto last November.

He always pushed to leave the Euro. That didn't make the November manifesto.

He was anti helping Ukraine. Now in power he's said NL will support Ukraine for as long as is necessary.

He wanted to scrap the €385 a year "excess" for medical assistance. During the election he was very forceful in saying it should be scrapped and he would do that immediately. That's now been watered down to a reduction to €165 but that won't happen until 2027. He doesn't seem to realise that the €220 reduction in the excess will be added to everybody's annual health insurance by the Insurance companies.

He would immediately raise the minimum wage by a healthy amount. He now realises that would put a fair few folk out of a job. It hasn't been raised.

Basically, he came across as far right in relation to immigration and his anti Islam stance and very much as a left wing socialist in his socio economic policies. Now as head of the largest party and responsible for what the government does, he's gone all neo liberal.

IMO, Farridge would go exactly the same way if in power.

Who knows? Thats for voters to decide.
We have just had it here, with the Millionaire socialist that Is Starmer, who has gone from screaming about free wallpaper, to slaughtering the last government over immigration and austerity with the poor.

In power, gimmme gimme gimme, freebies galore. Immigration has got worse and he's removed more than anything he's done, to taking money off pensioners and giving it to train drivers and overseas on climate bollox.

1 point of defence of Farage to your opinion. He could have ridden the EU gravy train for years like the Kinnocks. He didn't he came and told them his appointment was to reove the UK from the EU and do himself out of a job. That is exactly what he did, to the massive amount of tears from the Kinnocks in their wailing.

[MadAmster]

1 point of defence of Farage to your opinion. He could have ridden the EU gravy train for years like the Kinnocks. He didn't he came and told them his appointment was to reove the UK from the EU and do himself out of a job. That is exactly what he did, to the massive amount of tears from the Kinnocks in their wailing.

... and he and Johnson and others told lie after lie after lie to persuade the populace to vote Leave. It's the abject failure of Brexit that helped Wilders change his mind and now he's campaigning to change the EU from within rather than going for a Nexit.

[ramAnag]

Who knows? Thats for voters to decide.
We have just had it here, with the Millionaire socialist that Is Starmer, who has gone from screaming about free wallpaper, to slaughtering the last government over immigration and austerity with the poor.

In power, gimmme gimme gimme, freebies galore. Immigration has got worse and he's removed more than anything he's done, to taking money off pensioners and giving it to train drivers and overseas on climate bollox.

1 point of defence of Farage to your opinion. He could have ridden the EU gravy train for years like the Kinnocks. He didn't he came and told them his appointment was to reove the UK from the EU and do himself out of a job. That is exactly what he did, to the massive amount of tears from the Kinnocks in their wailing.

Tricky, could you calm down a bit about the ‘free wallpaper’?
We all know you’re upset about it, but as I’ve suggested before…let’s have a little perspective.
Johnson’s Downing Street flat ‘renovation’ cost around £200,000…and included a £7,000 rug…a trolley at £3675…a £500 table cloth and ‘gold wallpaper’ costing £2,260. Hardly just a bit of ‘free wallpaper’ was it?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Unfortunately when you portray yourself as a breath of fresh air, even minor smells tend to stick.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, could you calm down a bit about the ‘free wallpaper’?
We all know you’re upset about it, but as I’ve suggested before…let’s have a little perspective.
Johnson’s Downing Street flat ‘renovation’ cost around £200,000…and included a £7,000 rug…a trolley at £3675…a £500 table cloth and ‘gold wallpaper’ costing £2,260. Hardly just a bit of ‘free wallpaper’ was it?

Errrrrrrrm, last time I heard. Since Starmer became leader he has received 100k in gifts. Lord Ali Labour donor and former chairman of online fashion retailer Asos, covered the cost of a personal shopper, clothes and alterations for Victoria Starmer – both before and after Labour’s election win on 4 July

The peer reportedly also gave the prime minister nearly £19,000 worth of work clothes, £20,000 of accommodation and provided a similar sum for “private office” costs .
HeE GOT A SECURITY PASS INTO DOWNING STREET FOR IT? WTF!!!!!!!!

Like I said, cronyism comes in many forms. You have had many a rant and fit over Johnson, but not one word of condemnation of this with the current version

[ramAnag]

Errrrrrrrm, last time I heard. Since Starmer became leader he has received 100k in gifts. Lord Ali Labour donor and former chairman of online fashion retailer Asos, covered the cost of a personal shopper, clothes and alterations for Victoria Starmer – both before and after Labour’s election win on 4 July

The peer reportedly also gave the prime minister nearly £19,000 worth of work clothes, £20,000 of accommodation and provided a similar sum for “private office” costs .
HeE GOT A SECURITY PASS INTO DOWNING STREET FOR IT? WTF!!!!!!!!

Like I said, cronyism comes in many forms. You have had many a rant and fit over Johnson, but not one word of condemnation of this with the current version

I think GP made the point much better and it disappoints me too that Labour have fallen into this trap. Lord Alli’s pass was, I believe, temporary and has been withdrawn, however you keep, by implication, defending and downplaying Johnson’s actions and have now chosen to ignore the facts again.
Wasn’t just a bit of ‘free wallpaper’ was it?

[Andy_Faber]

It’s interesting though, that the majority (and maybe all) of Boris’ expenditure was on a crown possession, and has (again presumably) been passed on for the benefit of future inhabitants, whereas the Starmer household are likely to be the only beneficiaries of their ‘freebies’. As GP intimates, Starmer appears to smell more because he said he wouldn’t.

[SithHappens]

I got a 40 one for all card from work last week, true story.

on a serious note I'd say most of us have received some freebies through our work, a gift, a voucher, Christmas party so on so on.

I think we expect our politicians to behave differently for some reason. Does it bother me starmer is getting corporate tickets to Arsenal? Not in the least, bet Niall Horan didn't pay for his seats at Derby the other week.

I do get that Starmer has tried to paint himself as some sort of saint and it could be perceived as hypocritical, I see they have said they won't take clothes donations anymore, I'd have had more respect if they had said 'stop bitching, if someone wants to buy me some clobber let them'.

It's a distraction from WFA, which is the bigger issue in my opinion.

[ramAnag]

It’s interesting though, that the majority (and maybe all) of Boris’ expenditure was on a crown possession, and has (again presumably) been passed on for the benefit of future inhabitants, whereas the Starmer household are likely to be the only beneficiaries of their ‘freebies’. As GP intimates, Starmer appears to smell more because he said he wouldn’t.

Well the £840 per roll ‘gold wallpaper’ is probably still there, although there were rumours that it has started peeling off. Not so sure about the rug, the trolley and the tablecloth.

[MadAmster]

Keir Starmer got some freebies. I may be wrong but didn't he declare all the ones he was supposed to, namely, those worth over £500?

Boris Johnson, if I'm not mistaken, the big thing was that he failed to declare some, if not all of it, until pushed.

As long as the rules are there and Starmer, or any other politician, declares his freebies, there's nowt amiss with it.

Having said that, I don't believe they should get ANY freebies. For no other reason than it removes any possibility of being accused of conflicts of interest.

[Andy_Faber]

Keir Starmer got some freebies. I may be wrong but didn't he declare all the ones he was supposed to, namely, those worth over £500?

Boris Johnson, if I'm not mistaken, the big thing was that he failed to declare some, if not all of it, until pushed.

As long as the rules are there and Starmer, or any other politician, declares his freebies, there's nowt amiss with it.

Having said that, I don't believe they should get ANY freebies. For no other reason than it removes any possibility of being accused of conflicts of interest.

There seems to be some dispute (both here and elsewhere) about the actual value of his freebies

[Andy_Faber]

I got a 40 one for all card from work last week, true story.

on a serious note I'd say most of us have received some freebies through our work, a gift, a voucher, Christmas party so on so on.

I think we expect our politicians to behave differently for some reason. Does it bother me starmer is getting corporate tickets to Arsenal? Not in the least, bet Niall Horan didn't pay for his seats at Derby the other week.

I do get that Starmer has tried to paint himself as some sort of saint and it could be perceived as hypocritical, I see they have said they won't take clothes donations anymore, I'd have had more respect if they had said 'stop bitching, if someone wants to buy me some clobber let them'.

It's a distraction from WFA, which is the bigger issue in my opinion.

Yes we do expect more of our politicians, for the simple reason I’d surmise that it’s our lives they are messing with

Wouldn’t it be great to have a politician with integrity who’d still stand up and say ‘get a life it’s just a bloody bit of clobber’…seemingly not in their nature (any of them)

[Geoff Parkstone]

Vaguely on subject, but none the less interesting. A client of mine is currently arranging a free staff Xmas party for their employees on an evening before the festivities. They employ a corps of zero hour staff. These staff have evidently refused to go unless they can charge the host for the time spent attending the party.

What's anyone think - offered a freebie and it's not good enough!