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[Ram59]

I appreciate that we do the same checks in France, but we do then on all our borders, whereas the French don't have checks on their other borders.

It's just as well that the agreement allows the checks in the other country rather than when you get off the ferry. If that was the case, the queue would back up into the ferry.

[Andy_Faber]

TTR...stop glory hunting. This is our 500 thread

three out of tens of thousands hardly represents a reason for condemning Merkel's and 'the EU's soft stance'.

...but unfortunately it does, statistically.

[Gaspode]

The guy responsible for border control at Calais (French) was on the radio this am and he was in what appeared to be a genuine rage about the situation, stating that he was 'embarrassed for France' that this FUBAR had happened. 59, they might wonder why they are doing this but it has a very real value to UK - it is part of the bi lateral agreement that enables UK border force to use Calais as the UK border and helps keep non-UK undesirables out. We do these checks too, it just appears we are a million percent better/more organised than the French.

I was working in Paris when 911 happened and had to fly back from CDG airport in the following days (no stress on that flight ) - the French (as you would expect) severely tightened security at the airport and the queues were absolutely horrendous - though it appeared that despite the evident queues, the biggest issue was that the French security staff operated in their normal 'relaxed' (as in 'slow') way - no attempt to open additional desks or to work any faster, just plod along at their normal speed - it's something in the French psyche that stops them from making allowance and trying to be more efficient....

[ramAnag]

...but unfortunately it does, statistically.

Not really Andy...Merkel is alleged to have allowed 2,000,000 refugees/migrants into Germany. A political error, albeit a well intentioned one, imo, but just three people - all with supposed mental health issues - out of 2,000,000 is barely going to figure statistically.

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR...stop glory hunting. This is our 500 thread

More seriously...let's keep a sense of perspective please. Tragic though the recent attacks in Germany have certainly been - and maybe Merkel was too welcoming/'soft' - there were tens of thousands of refugees/migrants welcomed into Germany. The last week has seen four attacks, all - as far as I'm aware - by seemingly disturbed individuals (arguably all terrorists are I know) at least one of whom was German born. Bad things happen, evil is perpetrated by all colours and creeds, but three out of tens of thousands hardly represents a reason for condemning Merkel's and 'the EU's soft stance'.

Ram mate, please don't use the "mentally" disturbed excuse. It's wearing very thin from the German propaganda machine.
I wouldn't trust what a German politician/Police/Press says as far as I could throw them.

Cologne- 1000 *** crimes- tried to hush it up/ denied it was migrants/delayed telling the facts/ press down played it/ blamed the local women for inviting it. Hamburg was the same and both places had women having their arms twisted by Police and officials to withdraw their complaint.
Hell fire one of them Selin Goren, a 24-year-old politician and refugee activist, was ***ually assaulted by the group last January in the city of Mannheim. She lied about the descriptions, because she didn't want migrants BLAMED????
For Gods sake, how soft have they gone.
My ex girlfriend in Nurenburg, didn't even know about Cologne 2 days after it happened till I phoned her.

Now we have the mental illness excuse. It's bull****. It's down to one thing Islam!!!!

[Andy_Faber]

I appreciate that we do the same checks in France, but we do then on all our borders, whereas the French don't have checks on their other borders.

It's just as well that the agreement allows the checks in the other country rather than when you get off the ferry. If that was the case, the queue would back up into the ferry.

Yes from the French POV its bloody stupid doing any checks, because UK - France people flow is many tenths of a percent of total flow, there's no way they can practically secure their land borders elsewhere due to Schengen. But from a UK POV we need them to stick at it to secure our inward border. I'm saying that because border control is UK policy, not because I have a view.

[ramAnag]

Tricky...there are times when it's really worth debating with you and others when your agenda is so transparently obvious that it's just not worth it. Unfortunately this is one of the latter.
You clearly couldn't wait to play the anti-Muslim anti-EU card from when you reappeared with post 432. I'm not entirely surprised because this is exactly the type of strategy that Mr. Farage has proved so adept at...plant the seeds of fear and suspicion and watch the twisted tree of paranoia grow.
Of the two million migrants who have recently entered Germany, and not including the great many more who are happily settled there, these latest 'terrorists' represent something in the region of 0.0001% and apparently one of them was inspired by that well known Muslim, and sadly infinitely more effective terrorist, Anders Breivik.
There is much I disagree with about the Muslim faith, and for that matter all organised religion, but just as it would have been wrong to blame Catholicism and all Catholics for the IRA atrocities in the last four decades of the twentieth century so it is both wrong and unhelpful to lay all the blame for the recent outrages at the door of Islam...but then I suspect you know that.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky...there are times when it's really worth debating with you and others when your agenda is so transparently obvious that it's just not worth it. Unfortunately this is one of the latter.
You clearly couldn't wait to play the anti-Muslim anti-EU card from when you reappeared with post 432. I'm not entirely surprised because this is exactly the type of strategy that Mr. Farage has proved so adept at...plant the seeds of fear and suspicion and watch the twisted tree of paranoia grow.
Of the two million migrants who have recently entered Germany, and not including the great many more who are happily settled there, these latest 'terrorists' represent something in the region of 0.0001% and apparently one of them was inspired by that well known Muslim, and sadly infinitely more effective terrorist, Anders Breivik.
There is much I disagree with about the Muslim faith, and for that matter all organised religion, but just as it would have been wrong to blame Catholicism and all Catholics for the IRA atrocities in the last four decades of the twentieth century so it is both wrong and unhelpful to lay all the blame for the recent outrages at the door of Islam...but then I suspect you know that.

Whether I blame Islam or not, it is the very fact that the EU is powerless to stop and is actively allowing atrocities with it's own policies.

Or are you now saying that the attacks in France and Belgium were not helped by the EU allowing free movement?
I raised this because folks keep saying Immigration is not important, it's the economy.
The events of the last few weeks have been coming for some time. You love to slaughter Farage, but he said this would happen.
You, like Junker think it's trivial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVoaTIKdLPM

Well the country voting majority didn't think it was.

You aint seen nothing yet.
I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of what's going to be a very long European nightmare."
Merkel and the liberal left have presented Germany and Europe with a gift that will likely go on giving, for generations.

[ramAnag]

Tricky...I'm not sure who you think has been saying 'immigration is not important, it's the economy'. Clearly the whole question of immigration is important and there are ways in which it has been badly handled by successive governments but that isn't, imo, a justification for the question of immigration being allowed to hijack the whole referendum. As I have said, from the comments you've made recently you clearly have your own anti-Islam, anti-Eastern European, anti-EU agenda. You support Farage while I can't abide him but he hasn't been proved right despite doing all in his power to promote the sort of fear and paranoia designed to cause divisions within our increasingly multi-cultural society. Let's face it...such is his popularity he couldn't even get himself elected in a believed to be 'safe' seat in the SE.

[roger_ramjet]

"I was working in Paris when 911 happened and had to fly back from CDG airport in the following days (no stress on that flight ) -"

Gsdpode, you were lucky. But for a decision of clients to go to a confetence in NOLA I should have been on 40th floor of one of the towers: but planned trip was aborted.

Come to think of it, it was me that was lucky. There but the grace of God, but then again I also kust missed being in one of the Birmingham pubs that was bombed due to a late bus and walked past the white van full of explosives that took out the CU building / Baltic Exchange 4 times in the 45 minutes before it exploded. Must be charmed

[swaledale]

Whether I blame Islam or not, it is the very fact that the EU is powerless to stop and is actively allowing atrocities with it's own policies.

Or are you now saying that the attacks in France and Belgium were not helped by the EU allowing free movement?
I raised this because folks keep saying Immigration is not important, it's the economy.
The events of the last few weeks have been coming for some time. You love to slaughter Farage, but he said this would happen.
You, like Junker think it's trivial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVoaTIKdLPM

Well the country voting majority didn't think it was.

You aint seen nothing yet.
I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of what's going to be a very long European nightmare."
Merkel and the liberal left have presented Germany and Europe with a gift that will likely go on giving, for generations.

Oh well at least your true colours are out! As for Farage's predictions well they are on a level with the mystic Rats, something will happen somewhere!

Yes linking any of the recent events to the free movement of people within Europe is tenuous to say the link as is saying that the voting majority of the country think the same - Failed Asylum seeker, german born iranian with mental health issues yes I get the link I really do!

Those who voted Brexit were concerned at immigrants in their area and supposedly taking "their" jobs, some thought the NHS was getting £360 million, others thought we were ruled by Brussels, and some no doubt thought about terrorism - however if you can possibly think outside your anti foreigner views, you'd know that germany, France and indeed the Uk have had terrorist atrocities, maniacs killing and bombing people for decades long before the EU had such a policy - being out of the EU does not mean we wont have to accept Assylum Seekers or that mentally ill people or even those with a grudge or an unhealthy obsession with video games will not take such action and well you know it! You seem almost eager to welcome in doom, so you can say "I told you so"

Frankly you should have stopped when your contribution to the debate was at least half true, now you just sound paranoid and mentally unhinged - humans have bee killing each other for senseless reasons for centuries, all creeds all colours have and unfortunately will continue to do so and whether we are in or out of the Eu won't make one iota of difference.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky...I'm not sure who you think has been saying 'immigration is not important, it's the economy'. Clearly the whole question of immigration is important and there are ways in which it has been badly handled by successive governments but that isn't, imo, a justification for the question of immigration being allowed to hijack the whole referendum. As I have said, from the comments you've made recently you clearly have your own anti-Islam, anti-Eastern European, anti-EU agenda. You support Farage while I can't abide him but he hasn't been proved right despite doing all in his power to promote the sort of fear and paranoia designed to cause divisions within our increasingly multi-cultural society. Let's face it...such is his popularity he couldn't even get himself elected in a believed to be 'safe' seat in the SE.

The same safe seat where the Tories (still un answered) pulled out all the stops, to block him you mean?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/12163042/Elections-watchdog-launches-investigation-into-Tory-spending-on-campaign-to-defeat-Nigel-Farage.html

My own ( yearh right) anti islam/anti east european/ anti eu agenda are all interconnected. Or did you not see that?

I've told you before, the plan/water down of blood lines/one state are all interconnected
No one voted for it, but it's imposed on us. It now costs European lies.
You may not like that, but it';s happening. Has Farage lied? No he hasn't. The Europhiles do the same stance every time-
See no evil/hear no evil/speak no evil

[swaledale]

The same safe seat where the Tories (still un answered) pulled out all the stops, to block him you mean?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/12163042/Elections-watchdog-launches-investigation-into-Tory-spending-on-campaign-to-defeat-Nigel-Farage.html

My own ( yearh right) anti islam/anti east european/ anti eu agenda are all interconnected. Or did you not see that?

I've told you before, the plan/water down of blood lines/one state are all interconnected
No one voted for it, but it's imposed on us. It now costs European lies.
You may not like that, but it';s happening. Has Farage lied? No he hasn't. The Europhiles do the same stance every time-
See no evil/hear no evil/speak no evil

What a load of cock you talk! I'm seriously worried there is a dangerously unhinged person living in Nottinghamshire who manages to ascribe all ills to a Grand Plan! Heck you'll be claiming your the son of God next and claiming the Royal family are actually lizards!!!

To think Anag and I took you seriously at first and tried to debate seriously with you, may as well have labelled you the fantasist you really were from the start.

Oh and repeating crap time after time does not make it true, just makes the person repeating it look rather silly.

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh well at least your true colours are out! As for Farage's predictions well they are on a level with the mystic Rats, something will happen somewhere!

Yes linking any of the recent events to the free movement of people within Europe is tenuous to say the link as is saying that the voting majority of the country think the same - Failed Asylum seeker, german born iranian with mental health issues yes I get the link I really do!

Those who voted Brexit were concerned at immigrants in their area and supposedly taking "their" jobs, some thought the NHS was getting £360 million, others thought we were ruled by Brussels, and some no doubt thought about terrorism - however if you can possibly think outside your anti foreigner views, you'd know that germany, France and indeed the Uk have had terrorist atrocities, maniacs killing and bombing people for decades long before the EU had such a policy - being out of the EU does not mean we wont have to accept Assylum Seekers or that mentally ill people or even those with a grudge or an unhealthy obsession with video games will not take such action and well you know it! You seem almost eager to welcome in doom, so you can say "I told you so"

Frankly you should have stopped when your contribution to the debate was at least half true, now you just sound paranoid and mentally unhinged - humans have bee killing each other for senseless reasons for centuries, all creeds all colours have and unfortunately will continue to do so and whether we are in or out of the Eu won't make one iota of difference.

I'll sit on it Swale, it'll get a lot worse before it gets anywhere near better. It's here and it's happening.
I suggest you two apologists read the German papers. It's getting blue touch paper time over there.

[ramAnag]

'Has Farage lied? No he hasn't.' LOL...I suppose Gove and Johnson are the epitome of integrity and Forest are going to win the League too. Please...do behave.