OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

The general stance of the Remainers??? Thats a rather sweeping statement!

That's me all over - broad brush statements, generalisations, unsubstantiable facts - now where's that form I had knocking around, 'Application to be a politician'

Seriously, I can confirm that the general stance of the remainers in the social groups where I've heard it discussed is a bit pathetic - namely:

Politicians. Get over yourselves and go do a deal for God's sake! Having commented on Anna Sourby yesterday it was good to See Imelda Mae put her and others back in their box by being very clear (OK at summary level) that Brexit means we are leaving the EU, and everything therefore is underpinned by that. I like her style at the mo.

Business seniors in soft industries. Hardly unexpected that they are gagging for the status quo to somehow re-emerge as IMO they are the most likely to be collateral damage if things do go wrong

Business leaders in value added industries. For the most part have decided to roll their sleeves up and get on with it, good for Warren East at R-R for instance.

My family and friends group. Totally in denial at the moment, and bear in mind some of those folk were already in denial about the Scottish independence vote so imagine their pain!

Facebook. My fb friends voted poss 90% leave, but of the 10%, a number are quite high profile in public life due to a hobby interest I have (think Billy Bragg level of profile) and my God are they whinging like buggery, in fact getting quite vitriolic about it

This forum. Jury's out, but as a Remain voter I for one am 100% for making the best of Brexit now

[ramAnag]

While I continue to find more in common with Swale's outlook than most, but admire the stance of the likes of Andy and mac in looking for the positives and seeking to make the best of things, what I really struggle with at the moment is the number of influential people who are saying, time and time again, something along the lines of...'we'll have to wait and see what Brexit actually means'.

Honestly...even if you accept that the Referendum was an excercise in informed democratic decision making - which, regulars may have noted, I don't - how can we have voted for something we still don't understand the consequences of? If anyone can give me a positive example of a good decision being made without a clear understanding of the likely implications I'd be grateful.

Roger...think it's worth keeping open. Even without this thread our board is healthier than most. Perhaps the dearth of football comments is possibly down to holidays, the current two week hiatus in football matters and a degree of disillusionment. Meaningful incoming signings used to be genuinely exciting with the arrival of players (think the likes of Saunders and Stimac) leading to a real case of 'when Saturday comes' expectation. Unfortunately our most recent expensive signings have been largely disappointing and the whole transfer window/deadline day has made things all too predictable. We've still got ten days or so to wait till we begin to see what a post Martin DCFC with the input of Anya and Vydra etc can achieve. Suspect the board will be busy with football related stuff after that.

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;38257881] how can we have voted for something we still don't understand the consequences of? If anyone can give me a positive example of a good decision being made without a clear understanding of the likely implications I'd be grateful.

Sorry to refer to the radio news for the millionth time, but check this report out as mentioned this am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37238641

Clearly the Electoral Reform Society share some of your concerns

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;38257898]

how can we have voted for something we still don't understand the consequences of? If anyone can give me a positive example of a good decision being made without a clear understanding of the likely implications I'd be grateful.

Sorry to refer to the radio news for the millionth time, but check this report out as mentioned this am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37238641

Clearly the Electoral Reform Society share some of your concerns

I get all that Andy and, without taking sides, I've consistently maintained that it's always been the case that most of the electorate were insufficiently well informed and misled (by both sides) to make a meaningful decision.
Nothing about that has changed, but what is truly alarming is that we now have those who are supposedly informed and are, in some cases, responsible for overseeing the Brexit process suggesting that they don't yet know what is involved and what the consequences will be. Can't remember anything quite as absurd or potentially dangerous.

[Ram59]

We didn't vote for any particular brexit deal, we voted to reject the best deal that the eu was prepared to let us have if we stayed in.

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=ramAnag;38257924]

I get all that Andy and, without taking sides, I've consistently maintained that it's always been the case that most of the electorate were insufficiently well informed and misled (by both sides) to make a meaningful decision.
Nothing about that has changed, but what is truly alarming is that we now have those who are supposedly informed and are, in some cases, responsible for overseeing the Brexit process suggesting that they don't yet know what is involved and what the consequences will be. Can't remember anything quite as absurd or potentially dangerous.

On a personal level I can relate to it, because I made a similar leap into the dark 27 years ago. My equivalent of Brexit is my enduring relationship with Mrs F. Sometimes you just gotta take a chance!

[ramAnag]

Suspect it wasn't either an 'arranged marriage' or a complete 'leap into the unknown' though Andy. You must surely have quite liked what you saw, had more than an inkling of what you were getting and the feelings were presumably reciprocated before you uttered 'I do' and signed on the bottom line. Not entirely comparable then.

[roger_ramjet]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;38257951]

On a personal level I can relate to it, because I made a similar leap into the dark 27 years ago. My equivalent of Brexit is my enduring relationship with Mrs F. Sometimes you just gotta take a chance!

OK lets examine your simile a little closer Andy:

The EU costs us millions a day, your missus is quite possibly a tad cheaper, although maybe not in relative terms;

When we joined the EU it was a "shopping partnership" which has evolved into something far more unified; when you got married it probably started as something far more unified but is now probably about shopping more than anything;

When we joined the EU there were a limited numbers of partners which have escalated beyond predictable levels - your marriage possibly has not allowed this (or at least so far as she knows);

When you first got married you had no wish to pull out, hence children ensued. Now with maturity and ED, pulling out is no longer and option as entry is generally neither permitted not practical?

[Andy_Faber]

[QUOTE=roger_ramjet;38258073]

When you first got married you had no wish to pull out, hence children ensued. Now with maturity and ED, pulling out is no longer and option as entry is generally neither permitted not practical?

One of the reasons I voted remain is that voting leave meant entry would have been barred for ever

[ramAnag]

Blimey Roger...that last paragraph seems very telling. Can see why you want to change your pseudonym to 'More than 50 years'. Given your observations 'Ramjet' no longer seems so fitting.

[roger_ramjet]

Roger Limpjet?

[ramAnag]

Roger Limpjet?

Not even sure you can hang onto 'Roger' and 'jet' anymore...all so 'rigid', but you are still a 'Ram'...of sorts. Might have to be a case of Reggie Ramdribble.

[Gaspode]

Not even sure you can hang onto 'Roger' and 'jet' anymore...all so 'rigid', but you are still a 'Ram'...of sorts. Might have to be a case of Reggie Ramdribble.

I think swale has copyrighted any name with dribble in it.....

[roger_ramjet]

I suspect drivel not dribble for Swales

[ramAnag]

I suspect drivel not dribble for Swales

Sure it's neither for you RR and your actually just a self deprecating sixty something super stud.