OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

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Exactly, my parents, nor I voted for a USE.
They are as enraged as I am. Total con job, for a political aim. Argue the economics all you want. The economics have been used to twist folks arms up their back.
A few disillusioned radicals, have held Europe to ransom, for a dream of a superstate.
Enough!!!
Get me out of it ASAP, I'll do my bit to sort this out.

To the doomsayers- the architect of this collaboration is Germany.
Yes Germany, the very country left bankrupt/shattered/ and vulnerable in 1945.

She is now the 4th ranking economy in the world, from a pile of dust.
So stop squealing like a little bitch and roll your sleeves up. Time to re acquire some self respect.

[ramAnag]

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Lol...what big ears you have Grandmarog!

[ramAnag]

Exactly, my parents, nor I voted for a USE.
They are as enraged as I am. Total con job, for a political aim. Argue the economics all you want. The economics have been used to twist folks arms up their back.
A few disillusioned radicals, have held Europe to ransom, for a dream of a superstate.
Enough!!!
Get me out of it ASAP, I'll do my bit to sort this out.

To the doomsayers- the architect of this collaboration is Germany.
Yes Germany, the very country left bankrupt/shattered/ and vulnerable in 1945.

She is now the 4th ranking economy in the world, from a pile of dust.
So stop squealing like a little bitch and roll your sleeves up. Time to re acquire some self respect.

'The collaboration with Germany'...'Stop squealing like a little bitch'...!
Do you realise what a jealous, tub thumping, Neanderthal you sound like sometimes Tricky?

[Trickytreesreds]

'The collaboration with Germany'...'Stop squealing like a little bitch'...!
Do you realise what a jealous, tub thumping, Neanderthal you sound like sometimes Tricky?

why am I jealous?
Germany was a defeated mess in 1945
it as propped up and allowed to forgo most of its debts .

It is now a major economic power that calls the shots in europe. Are you saying this is right and justice to the countries it steam rollered?

Perhaps Poland/Greece/Romania have a different stance?

[Trickytreesreds]

Germany, has been a bully in Europe, considering its past.
What it has inflicted on Greece is laughable

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/economic-historian-germany-was-biggest-debt-transgressor-of-20th-century-a-769703.html

[swaledale]

Germany, has been a bully in Europe, considering its past.
What it has inflicted on Greece is laughable

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-769703.html

MM Germany inflicted on Greece? So Greece was forced to join the EU, forced to join the euro when its pathetic and hopelessly corrupt government knew it did not meet the conditions and forced to remain in the EU?

Forget eccentric, a mind blowingly stupid xenophobe, with as much a clue about reality and facts as a 2 year old and I'm sure you will gladly take the it as you put it, which is good because Brexit will hit you hard IF it happens a you seem to wish, but then the simpletons of the population were always willing to be sacrificed for the benefit of the elite!!

[ramAnag]

why am I jealous?
Germany was a defeated mess in 1945
it as propped up and allowed to forgo most of its debts .

It is now a major economic power that calls the shots in europe. Are you saying this is right and justice to the countries it steam rollered?

Perhaps Poland/Greece/Romania have a different stance?

So you're not challenging 'tub thumping' or 'Neanderthal'. That's interesting in itself, but you seem jealous, or at least resentful, of the fact that Germany, in the last seventy odd years, has managed to rebuild itself successfully. I've no idea why, but I've met a good number of Germans over the years, spent a fair amount of time in or near Berlin and can't remember having a problem with any of them.

[swaledale]

Tricky has a problem with anyone who isn't white, english and has an IQ in double figures!

[AdiSalisbury]

Tricky has a problem with anyone who isn't white, english and has an IQ in double figures!

It's statements like this that cause a lot of resentment, and probably account for some of the protest votes for Brexit. I don't agree with everything he is saying, but he isn't saying that.

[ramAnag]

It's statements like this that cause a lot of resentment, and probably account for some of the protest votes for Brexit. I don't agree with everything he is saying, but he isn't saying that.

Fair point Adi, but Tricky does bring things on himself sometimes...'Germany the bully of Europe', calling people 'collaborators' and telling them to 'stop squealing like a little bitch' etc. Not the most objective or constructive of comments to say the least.

[roger_ramjet]

But Germany is the bully of Europe - initially militarily and subsequently economically. Ask the Greeks - yes they were complicit in their own demise, but the German companies involved in the developments there (airport, trams etc) are still spending the profits.

[Andy_Faber]

Fair point Adi, but Tricky does bring things on himself sometimes...'Germany the bully of Europe', calling people 'collaborators' and telling them to 'stop squealing like a little bitch' etc. Not the most objective or constructive of comments to say the least.

Likewise, I'm afraid, does Swale calling someone a 'mind blowingly stupid xenophobe with as much a clue as a 2 year old'. I find both of their extremist views interesting and have learned a bit from them, but the name-calling is just a bit silly.

anyway, back to the OT, and a question for those who hold 'bankers' in low regard (easy at the front there guys, no pushing!). If the BBC-fuelled rumours are true, 'tens of thousands' of banking jobs will relocate from London to Paris/Berlin/other Johnny-foreigner outposts. On balance is that a price worth paying for Brexit?

[ramAnag]

Likewise, I'm afraid, does Swale calling someone a 'mind blowingly stupid xenophobe with as much a clue as a 2 year old'. I find both of their extremist views interesting and have learned a bit from them, but the name-calling is just a bit silly.

anyway, back to the OT, and a question for those who hold 'bankers' in low regard (easy at the front there guys, no pushing!). If the BBC-fuelled rumours are true, 'tens of thousands' of banking jobs will relocate from London to Paris/Berlin/other Johnny-foreigner outposts. On balance is that a price worth paying for Brexit?

At the risk of being called his 'rear gunner' again...I don't find Swale's views to be extreme. Outspoken, occasionally vitriolic and prone to fighting fire with a flame thrower perhaps, but his actual views are relatively moderate aren't they? Always puzzles me when you refer to him as 'Comrade Swale'...pretty mainstream slightly left of centre I'd have thought...far too proud of making his 'stash' in the current climate to be thought of as 'revolutionary'.

On the subject of bankers. My next door neighbours are London based bankers - they only use the house up here as their holiday 'retreat' which tells you something. Just been told that we won't be seeing them for a while as he's had a sudden 'posting' to set up the business in Dubai. My 'informer' suggested it was a sudden Brexit related move. Sign of the times perhaps?

[Andy_Faber]

At the risk of being called his 'rear gunner' again...I don't find Swale's views to be extreme. Outspoken, occasionally vitriolic and prone to fighting fire with a flame thrower perhaps, but his actual views are relatively moderate aren't they? Always puzzles me when you refer to him as 'Comrade Swale'...pretty mainstream slightly left of centre I'd have thought...far too proud of making his 'stash' in the current climate to be thought of as 'revolutionary'.

On the subject of bankers. My next door neighbours are London based bankers - they only use the house up here as their holiday 'retreat' which tells you something. Just been told that we won't be seeing them for a while as he's had a sudden 'posting' to set up the business in Dubai. My 'informer' suggested it was a sudden Brexit related move. Sign of the times perhaps?

Yes I'm probably a bit hard on Swale but hey ho, anyone who uses exclamation marks (especially doubles) as much as he does is fair game...and there's got to be a bit of fun poking and rise taking to lighten the bleak mood hasn't there? Now get back to that rear turret.

On the banking thing yes interesting anecdote but you didn't answer the more general question.

[ramAnag]

Yes I'm probably a bit hard on Swale but hey ho, anyone who uses exclamation marks (especially doubles) as much as he does is fair game...and there's got to be a bit of fun poking and rise taking to lighten the bleak mood hasn't there? Now get back to that rear turret.

It doesn't seem like a price worth paying to me but this is not my area. More of a question for Roger, but he's still marching over the cliff edge shouting abuse at the Germans.