OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

1) Try the one in post #2662. It's not 'mine'...it's what Xenophobia actually means.
2) 5 is not insinuating anything...you just can't queue for me...end of.
3) Please stop banging on about what we were asked in the 70's. It's forty five years ago...of course things have changed.
4) For the umpteenth time...I'm not comfortable with everything in the EU. Never have been...never pretended to be...but I was a damn site more comfortable with how things were before the referendum than I am now. Okay...we've stood up to EU bureaucracy...but at what cost? Tell me one thing that is looking better now than it was before last June.

[Andy_Faber]

Just a bit of an update by the way you all, on the 'chaos' at airports reported last week

1. The new rules have actually been in place for some time, last week's 'chaos' was very localised and due to poor anticipation of increased volumes
2. In some cases it has actually been QUICKER to get through passport control because the more tardy officials now work to a standard process instead of staring vacantly at passports for a random period
3. Its a Schengen issue, not a Brexit one

The above a virtually direct report from some investigative journalism in the local Mallorca paper (I'm not being a cleverdick, its English-language)

4. My personal experience going through Palma airport was 'business as usual', ie no queue at all anywhere APART FROM, perversely, three quarters of the people on my flight standing and queueing for the best part of an hour for already-allocated seats.

5. The place was FULL of foreigners

[Andy_Faber]

1) Try the one in post #2662. It's not 'mine'...it's what Xenophobia actually means.
2) 5 is not insinuating anything...you just can't queue for me...end of.
3) Please stop banging on about what we were asked in the 70's. It's forty five years ago...of course things have changed.
4) For the umpteenth time...I'm not comfortable with everything in the EU. Never have been...never pretended to be...but I was a damn site more comfortable with how things were before the referendum than I am now. Okay...we've stood up to EU bureaucracy...but at what cost? Tell me one thing that is looking better now than it was before last June.

Regarding 4 R, is it just a feeling or can you personally recount things that are worse for you? Serious not flippant Q, and I ask this because IMO a massive swathe of UK folk are likely to be wasting so much money that any change in prices caused by the uncertainty of Brexit would just be lost in the mix. A lot of the time folk just can't be arsed to 'audit' their expenditure to avoid waste (electric, gas and water are almost impossible NOT to save money on with a bit of effort, phone, TV, broadband close behind, overbuying of perishable goods, blah blah) and I don't actually think such people deserve a Brexit voice on matters of economics

[Trickytreesreds]

1) Try the one in post #2662. It's not 'mine'...it's what Xenophobia actually means.
2) 5 is not insinuating anything...you just can't queue for me...end of.
3) Please stop banging on about what we were asked in the 70's. It's forty five years ago...of course things have changed.
4) For the umpteenth time...I'm not comfortable with everything in the EU. Never have been...never pretended to be...but I was a damn site more comfortable with how things were before the referendum than I am now. Okay...we've stood up to EU bureaucracy...but at what cost? Tell me one thing that is looking better now than it was before last June.

Stop twisting it. Collins English dictionary on xenophobia.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/xenophobia

You and swale use this way too much

Yes we have stood up to EU bureaucracy.

That in its self is a bonus
1. Now we do what we want
2. We don't have to pay into a bottomless money pit
3.We can say what we want law wise
4. The world is now free to talk to us from a trade perspective

Things are in our court. All the doom predictions haven't arrived from the scum that was Camerons goons. I am happy for this to go on.
I'd like you to consider another thing. Europe is happy. Eastern Europe is rubbing its knuckles with the EU.
Southern Europe is teetering with financial collapse.
I want to be as far away from that as possible. Happy to visit and say hola,guttentag,bonjour. But keep my life out of it.

[ramAnag]

Regarding 4 R, is it just a feeling or can you personally recount things that are worse for you? Serious not flippant Q, and I ask this because IMO a massive swathe of UK folk are likely to be wasting so much money that any change in prices caused by the uncertainty of Brexit would just be lost in the mix. A lot of the time folk just can't be arsed to 'audit' their expenditure to avoid waste (electric, gas and water are almost impossible NOT to save money on with a bit of effort, phone, TV, broadband close behind, overbuying of perishable goods, blah blah) and I don't actually think such people deserve a Brexit voice on matters of economics

The obvious ones are the fall in the pound and exchange rates which obviously has a huge knock on effect which transcends the cost/expense of just holidays, together with the fact that I have immediate family in Europe who's immediate future has suddenly become potentially much less secure.

Beyond that, I actually feel 'European' and want to live in a country that gets along with its immediate neighbours as part of a united Europe. I am also sick and tired of switching on the News or reading any half decent newspaper article (this precludes the Sun, Mail and Express) and coming across more talk of 'economic uncertainty owing to Brexit', advice from manufacturers of everything from Stilton cheese and Melton Mowbray pork pies to Rolls Royce aero engines, that we can only cope with the 'softest of Brexits' when what they actually mean is...'we should never have gone down this ridiculous road in the first place'. Finally I am sick and tired of having a Government which purports to represent me/us becoming totally fixated on a) its own survival b) trying to do the unnecessary and impossible in terms of reaching a mutually acceptable Brexit deal when it should be concentrating on the NHS, Education, sustaining industrial growth, improving transport, housing, fighting poverty etc etc.

P.S. As you might have guessed, I'm not someone who 'can't be arsed to audit their own expenditure'
Does that entitle me to a 'Brexit voice'?

[Trickytreesreds]

The obvious ones are the fall in the pound and exchange rates which obviously has a huge knock on effect which transcends the cost/expense of just holidays, together with the fact that I have immediate family in Europe who's immediate future has suddenly become potentially much less secure.

Beyond that, I actually feel 'European' and want to live in a country that gets along with its immediate neighbours as part of a united Europe. I am also sick and tired of switching on the News or reading any half decent newspaper article (this precludes the Sun, Mail and Express) and coming across more talk of 'economic uncertainty owing to Brexit', advice from manufacturers of everything from Stilton cheese and Melton Mowbray pork pies to Rolls Royce aero engines, that we can only cope with the 'softest of Brexits' when what they actually mean is...'we should never have gone down this ridiculous road in the first place'. Finally I am sick and tired of having a Government which purports to represent me/us becoming totally fixated on a) its own survival b) trying to do the unnecessary and impossible in terms of reaching a mutually acceptable Brexit deal when it should be concentrating on the NHS, Education, sustaining industrial growth, improving transport, housing, fighting poverty etc etc.

P.S. As you might have guessed, I'm not someone who 'can't be arsed to audit their own expenditure'
Does that entitle me to a 'Brexit voice'?

Very honest post Ramanag, but explains a lot.

1. you are happy to become a part of the USE
2.The economy, is held to ransom to achieve the above
3. never gone down this road? Democracy is is not something the EU embraces
4. our government can be removed by the electorate, not so with the EU
5. The internal politics of this country, can be decided on by the electorate without interference.
Perfect, I thank you for your input. It was outstanding.

May democracy rule.

[Trickytreesreds]

Very honest post Ramanag, but explains a lot.

1. you are happy to become a part of the USE
2.The economy, is held to ransom to achieve the above
3. never gone down this road? Democracy is is not something the EU embraces
4. our government can be removed by the electorate, not so with the EU
5. The internal politics of this country, can be decided on by the electorate without interference.
Perfect, I thank you for your input. It was outstanding.

May democracy rule.

ps, the pound has been as low as 80p against the Euro and as high as 1.73
Talking ****e mate

[ramAnag]

Not at all sure how the fact that the Pound has been lower at some point in history means I'm talking '****e', but thanks for that helpful contribution.
Andy asked me for examples of how the outcome of the referendum had impacted upon me personally and I answered.
Let's face it, you and I are never going to agree. Our circular argument must be excruciatingly boring to others...it's even become bloody tedious to me.
You seem to believe in some idyllic 1950/60's based England, probably - and ironically - set in black and white, which I actually doubt ever existed. I want to be part of a forward looking cosmopolitan UK that is a central part of a united Europe while you seem to seek some sort of 'splendid isolation'.
It is my opinion that the outcome of last year's referendum has already done our country untold damage. If, as seems likely, Brexit goes ahead I fear for the future of our country and of our young people. You, in contrast, think everything in the 'garden' is rosy, the rest of the World is queuing up to do positive business with us and we're going to go from strength to strength.
That's it...poles apart...little point in continuing...c'est la vie, as they say in that dreadful place twenty odd miles across the water.

[roger_ramjet]

I didnt know they spoke a different language in the Isle of Man

[swaledale]

I think you've missed a couple of things here R, first is that this all started when Swale managed to succinctly insinuate TTR as a *** tourist and/or a whole nation as being sustained by immoral earnings in one comment, and second is that Swale has yet again withdrawn, probably running the world out of insults elsewhere while you take on the role of apologist for him. Maybe there's a role for you in the USA somewhere?

How the **** did you reach that insinuation? No wonder your grasp of reality is slim if you continually put your own interpretation on what is said, in point of fact i was insinuating that he is a sad old got going to get a Thai bride because the only woman he can attract is one who is prepared to put up with him in order to live in a richer country!

[swaledale]

Ha another unreconstructed bigott who disregards the truth!

So most people on here know what i am, speak for your self but I'd be wary of the company you keep, the fact you don't think TTR is a xenophobe shows exactly what you are.

So your so sad as to count the number of times I have replied to R4J, yet conveniently ignore other posters on here that have continued to (in your words) bully the poster, though why asking for clarification as even the angelic Anagram has done recently is classed as bullying is rather puzzling. So every reply or comment upon an R4J post is in your eyes bullying? Utter rot!

Once again you show a lack of comprehension, perhaps given your inability to understand the meaning of xenophobia and you dont seem to understand the meaning of hardly interacted with him recently you should look at your own education before querying mine?

Try and be a bit more accurate before throwing accusations around, and don't ignore what doesn't suit your pathetic views.

[swaledale]

1.I pumped Xenoophobia into google and that definition came up. Does your interpretation mean it's correct?
2. your opinion alone sunshine. You forget, I have a Canadian national as a girlfriend, living in Germany
3.Martians, no not yet. But I'm open to negotiations
4. As for the **** quote, you aren't as offensive and angry as Swale
5.not sure what 5 is insinuating
6. The EU have been leeching to govern us, in fact all members for decades. It is my whole point. We joined a common market. Not a political union, whose laws/policies/direction is decided by a group of "unelected" persons, who cannot be removed.
The slow draining of sovereignty is being conducted all over Europe. Forget us, the east Europeans like Poland and Hungary aren't having it. They are resisting.
We as a nation, was asked in the 70's if we wanted to be a part of a "common market". True or false?

Since when was we allowing our nations decisions, to be leeched to Europe. Tired or not Ramang, you seem comfortable with this. Many of us do not.

More bull**** and fantasy from TTR I see, I wonder what drugs this guys on?

[mistaram]

Swales how the **** can you refer to anyone else as a bigot That's probably the most stupid thing you ever posted I know full well the meaning of xenophobia I don't need someone like you to explain anything to me I'm quite certain my education out ways yours anyway They certainly never taught you manners or tolerance of others where you were educated The other day TTR called you pond life he was being generous your worse than that in my opinion

[ramAnag]

'...angelic Anagram'! Lol...been called many things, but that really is a first.
Certainly not as abrasive as you and I may try harder to see where others are 'coming from' but, 'angelic'...you couldn't be more wrong.

[Andy_Faber]

Ha another unreconstructed bigott blah blah, xenophobe blah blah,Utter rot blah blah, you should look at your own education before querying mine grumble grumble, your pathetic views rant rant

Swale, please reply with quotes. I'm sure, like me, everyone else gets confused about who you are having a pop at if you don't, its difficult to keep up