OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Just suppose (Mk2) there were to be a new Party born...leaving three altogether...and the Parties were typified by their leaders so...
Party 1 led by Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Gove
Party 2 led by Cable, Soubry and Starmer
Party 3 led by Corbyn, McDonald and Abbott
...who would be most likely to attract your vote and who would win?

Seeing as I’m asking others, I would unashamedly vote for Party 2, not sure if they’d break the British two party mould but they’d certainly possess more common sense imo.

[Manofpride]

Party 1 Rees-Mogg, swap Gove for Farage

[ramAnag]

Party 1 Rees-Mogg, swap Gove for Farage

Oh dear...so it’s a sort of new Nazi party you’re after?
Anyway you have to be an MP to lead a Party...remind me...how many times has NF screwed that up? SSSSSSSeven as I recall.
Hope you’re just being a wum again MoP and don’t really mean it.

[Andy_Faber]

Oh dear...so it’s a sort of new Nazi party you’re after?
Anyway you have to be an MP to lead a Party...remind me...how many times has NF screwed that up? SSSSSSSeven as I recall.
Hope you’re just being a wum again MoP and don’t really mean it.

Preference? One and a half. Three would be a disaster.
Prediction? Three

[Andy_Faber]

Just suppose (Mk2) there were to be a new Party born...leaving three altogether...and the Parties were typified by their leaders so...
Party 1 led by Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Gove
Party 2 led by Cable, Soubry and Starmer
Party 3 led by Corbyn, McDonald and Abbott
...who would be most likely to attract your vote and who would win?

Seeing as I’m asking others, I would unashamedly vote for Party 2, not sure if they’d break the British two party mould but they’d certainly possess more common sense imo.

2 is the party of middle-ground politics, I think folk have had enough of that for now and want a punch-up

[ramAnag]

2 is the party of middle-ground politics, I think folk have had enough of that for now and want a punch-up

Has there been much ‘middle-ground’ politics since 2014, Andy? I must have missed it.
Think any ‘punch up’ is more likely to be within the Parties rather than between them. Much like here...oh for a bit of not so ‘common sense’ and leadership.

[Andy_Faber]

Has there been much ‘middle-ground’ politics since 2014, Andy? I must have missed it.
Think any ‘punch up’ is more likely to be within the Parties rather than between them. Much like here...oh for a bit of not so ‘common sense’ and leadership.

Yes it’s eroded over the past five years or so. I disagree about the punch up though, there is some real nastiness, driven partly by social media, between capitalist and socialist, left and right, patriot and globalist, PC and non-PC etc

[ramAnag]

Yes it’s eroded over the past five years or so. I disagree about the punch up though, there is some real nastiness, driven partly by social media, between capitalist and socialist, left and right, patriot and globalist, PC and non-PC etc

Which is why my preference is for centrist, one nation politicians. I don’t want to be ruled by the bigots currently jostling for control of the Tory party or the idealists who represent ‘old’ Labour so, in the absence of MA getting his political act together, the names I mentioned for Party 2 do seem to offer some sort of decency.

[Andy_Faber]

Which is why my preference is for centrist, one nation politicians. I don’t want to be ruled by the bigots currently jostling for control of the Tory party or the idealists who represent ‘old’ Labour so, in the absence of MA getting his political act together, the names I mentioned for Party 2 do seem to offer some sort of decency.

I think we WANT the same thing but IMO we’ve got in a right bleeding mess being too polite/scared to ‘have a say’ as individuals and collectives and if it takes extremists like Mogg and Corbyn to stimulate the discussion I’ll take that as the route forward for a few years

[ramAnag]

I think we WANT the same thing but IMO we’ve got in a right bleeding mess being too polite/scared to ‘have a say’ as individuals and collectives and if it takes extremists like Mogg and Corbyn to stimulate the discussion I’ll take that as the route forward for a few years

I see it more as...I think we’d settle for similar things.
Don’t think of Corbyn as an ‘extremist’...to use one of your adjectives I think his aims are quite ‘noble’ but I do see him as a naive idealist. Someone who would be better of as an advocate for the poor and dispossessed than as a Party leader...not much wrong with that either.
Mogg I just see as a hideous irrelevance...academically clever but morally bankrupt.

[Manofpride]

Oh dear...so it’s a sort of new Nazi party you’re after?
Anyway you have to be an MP to lead a Party...remind me...how many times has NF screwed that up? SSSSSSSeven as I recall.
Hope you’re just being a wum again MoP and don’t really mean it.

No way would I want to be involved with a Nazi party or be involved in any way with the NF.

[Manofpride]

Mogg I just see as a hideous irrelevance...academically clever but morally bankrupt.

Not happy with that remark either!

[Manofpride]

Now back to the topic, the future is Brexit. If we all get on board and just go with what the people voted it would be better for the Country if we all moved forward on this one rather than trying to upset the apple cart!

[Andy_Faber]

Now back to the topic, the future is Brexit. If we all get on board and just go with what the people voted it would be better for the Country if we all moved forward on this one rather than trying to upset the apple cart!

I agree with that and I voted remain...

Regarding 'The Moggster', he's anything but irrelevant, and 'morally bankrupt' is a bit of leftie propaganda I think RA has picked up somewhere. He has deeply held and in some cases extreme views, but so do most people, and he may pick up enough popular support to make a real difference.

[ramAnag]

Honestly now MoP, do you mean any of this or are you just mischief making?
You seem far too intelligent for it to be the former but, tbf, you’ve stuck with it since you started the thread (20 months ago!).
Surely you recognise that Farage is nothing more than a ‘scrubbed up’ more articulate version of the NF and when you say ‘all move forward’ with Brexit without upsetting the ‘apple cart’, what does that mean?
The ‘apple cart’ has been well and truly upset since day one. The ‘decision’ to leave Europe won, at best, the tiniest of majorities and in actuality there is arguably no mandate at all.
We are no clearer now than in June 2016 as to what Brexit means and what type of Brexit we are seeking. The thinking has been muddled ever since and it’s not just the likes of me who hold that opinion but leading industrialists, manufacturers and bankers too.