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[Andy_Faber]

Farage’s ridiculous and dishonest poster

Interesting point for discussion. The wily Farage didn't really put any context around that poster, he let folk draw their own conclusions. My conclusion was that the photo had no provenance so I ignored it. I was wrong, there was provenance, its easy to look it up on the internet. Being generous, half were true refugees and half were economic migrants. So to say 'that photo is of refugees' is wrong. Yet that is precisely what Anna Soubry 'said' (I don't know exactly how to describe the way she speaks these days, God knows how she gets served in a restaurant) on question time last week. Farage put her right but that's not my point. My point is that there were lies, exaggerations, ubfuscations, bending of the truth, paying with words etc on both sides, that's just the way of politics. As I've said a dozen times, there were/are no clean hands...

[ramAnag]

AKA Party Political Manifestoes

Very possibly...but when did two wrongs make a right?

[ramAnag]

Interesting point for discussion. The wily Farage didn't really put any context around that poster, he let folk draw their own conclusions. My conclusion was that the photo had no provenance so I ignored it. I was wrong, there was provenance, its easy to look it up on the internet. Being generous, half were true refugees and half were economic migrants. So to say 'that photo is of refugees' is wrong. Yet that is precisely what Anna Soubry 'said' (I don't know exactly how to describe the way she speaks these days, God knows how she gets served in a restaurant) on question time last week. Farage put her right but that's not my point. My point is that there were lies, exaggerations, ubfuscations, bending of the truth, paying with words etc on both sides, that's just the way of politics. As I've said a dozen times, there were/are no clean hands...

We often disagree, Andy...but I never thought I’d see you defending the indefensible.

It’s not an ‘interesting point for discussion’...it was just wrong!

[MadAmster]

Trump's lying is spectacular, both in the numbers told as in the content. The one that gets me laughing the most is the one where his Dad was born in Germany. Dad was born in the Bronx.

Theresa dosn't compare with Trump in either category but is still a quite spectacular liar. The will be no early General Election...... oh yes there was Tessa. We will leave the EU at 23:00 on March 29th 2019....... oh no we won't Tessa. There will be no customs union..... oh yes there will Tessa. We will not be in the single market...... oh yes we will Tessa. There will be no freedom of movement...... oh yes there will Tessa.

.... and the UK will still be paying billions a year to the EU to be a part of all those things we, according to Tessa, wouldn't be in, on top of the £39Bn divorce settlement AND the UK has no more say in how EU policy is formulated.

Brexit In Name Only.

This next bit will surprise many........ It is my honest opinion that, given the abject surrender known as the withdrawal agreement, the EU will tell Tessa or her successor exactly what they deign to give us as a trade deal and we can take it or leave it. They have the government over a barrel and will keep them there. I know this farce has cost the UK a lot but, given what any trade deal may look like, and I don't believe that would be any more advantageous to the UK than the current surrender deal is, remaining a member is the best option. No Deal is a better option than the straightjacket on the table plus straightjacket number 2 aka the trade deal which the EU will write and out Tory PM will simply accept and sign.

Where are the hard words? Where is the action from the PM saying "listen Tusk et al, we are the UK. We are the 5th largets World Economy. We are the largest European contributor to NATO. Most of the EU economies rely on us as their largest trading partner. Treat us as such or lose out".

It's what Churchill would have told them. So would Maggie and I was never a fan of hers.

The UK is still one of the big lads. It should start acting like it. Not roll over like the softest of soft labradors.

[swaledale]

Interesting point for discussion. The wily Farage didn't really put any context around that poster, he let folk draw their own conclusions. My conclusion was that the photo had no provenance so I ignored it. I was wrong, there was provenance, its easy to look it up on the internet. Being generous, half were true refugees and half were economic migrants. So to say 'that photo is of refugees' is wrong. Yet that is precisely what Anna Soubry 'said' (I don't know exactly how to describe the way she speaks these days, God knows how she gets served in a restaurant) on question time last week. Farage put her right but that's not my point. My point is that there were lies, exaggerations, ubfuscations, bending of the truth, paying with words etc on both sides, that's just the way of politics. As I've said a dozen times, there were/are no clean hands...

Ah another who is foolish enough to believe what he reads on the internet! As if that were the bastion of all thats true and factual! I knew you were somewhat naive, thats obvious from some of the stuff you post, but to be an apologist for that poster confirms the extent to which you are unaware.

That poster was wrong, it had no provenance, Farage knew exactly what he was doing when he used it, it was a typical right wing neo fascist blame the foreigner, their invading the country tactic aimed at the less well informed person and it seems swallowed hook line and sinker by those who should be able to deduce better.

[swaledale]

A MAN who claims all politicians are crooks and liars trusts them implicitly if they are right-wing, it has emerged.

IT manager Martin Bishop’s cynicism about politicians magically disappears if they share his views on issues like immigration, lazy public sector workers and the EU being a sort of mafia.

Bishop said: “The promises they make aren’t worth a bloody thing. The sooner we get out of Europe and become a successful, sovereign nation leading the world again, the better.

“They’ve all got their snouts in the trough, apart from businessmen like Trump who you can trust in power because of all the money they’ve made in the private sector.

“People say the stuff about Turkey joining the EU and the £350 million for the NHS wasn’t true, but it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was more of a metaphor.

“Every single one of them is nothing but a filthy, dirty liar. Thank God we’ve got good men like Nigel keeping them honest.”

[MadAmster]

A MAN who claims all politicians are crooks and liars trusts them implicitly if they are right-wing, it has emerged.

IT manager Martin Bishop’s cynicism about politicians magically disappears if they share his views on issues like immigration, lazy public sector workers and the EU being a sort of mafia.

Bishop said: “The promises they make aren’t worth a bloody thing. The sooner we get out of Europe and become a successful, sovereign nation leading the world again, the better.

“They’ve all got their snouts in the trough, apart from businessmen like Trump who you can trust in power because of all the money they’ve made in the private sector.

“People say the stuff about Turkey joining the EU and the £350 million for the NHS wasn’t true, but it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was more of a metaphor.

“Every single one of them is nothing but a filthy, dirty liar. Thank God we’ve got good men like Nigel keeping them honest.”

You have to love those quotes though, don't you? The man, rightly, slated politicians and then says Trump and Farage are, somehow, different, better. Thank you Martin Bishop for one of the best laughs I've had this year so far. You're a gem lad.

Nice little find Swale.

[claw84]

Can I throw in my two pennyworth, some very interesting arguments brought upon this topic. However the way I see it is that the people of this country have been betrayed by both the Tories and Labour and all those muppets in Westminster so I and all members of my family will be voting for Brexit. For all those harking on about a 2ed vote it will be on the 23rd of May, lets see who comes out on top.

Good luck in the playoffs, beat dirty Leeds.

[ramAnag]

Can I throw in my two pennyworth, some very interesting arguments brought upon this topic. However the way I see it is that the people of this country have been betrayed by both the Tories and Labour and all those muppets in Westminster so I and all members of my family will be voting for Brexit. For all those harking on about a 2ed vote it will be on the 23rd of May, lets see who comes out on top.

Good luck in the playoffs, beat dirty Leeds.

Lol...a Millwall fan calling Leeds ‘dirty’...pot, kettle and black springs to mind...but thanks anyway.

More seriously...so you feel let down, ‘betrayed’ even, by the ‘muppets in Westminster’. Who doesn’t?
But how does that lead you and yours to voting for the Brexit Party?
No matter how inadequate many, not all, of the current crop of MP’s are, how is leaving the EU, alienating ourselves from our neighbours and putting our trust in the disingenuous and opportunist Nigel - I’m doing very nicely out of Brexit thank you - Farage even begin to help?

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA - if you come at it from the perspective that Claw may have been pro brexit all along, its a simple reason for voting for Brexit party. I can understand how a remainer would not do it though.

How do you know a politician is lying - his lips are moving. How do you know a politician is dead - he stops lying (unless he produces an posthumous autobiography)

[AdiSalisbury]

You have to love those quotes though, don't you? The man, rightly, slated politicians and then says Trump and Farage are, somehow, different, better. Thank you Martin Bishop for one of the best laughs I've had this year so far. You're a gem lad.

Nice little find Swale.

It's from one of those satire sites such as Newsthump, not real quotes.

[claw84]

I know that Farage is not everyone's cup of tea but at least he stands up for our country, not like terrorist loving commie Corbyn or insipid, dishonest May. The reason why I am voting for Brexit is because of the EU's plan for an EU army, as a veteran I shudder at the thought of Brussel's having any control over our Armed forces.

[ramAnag]

I know that Farage is not everyone's cup of tea but at least he stands up for our country, not like terrorist loving commie Corbyn or insipid, dishonest May. The reason why I am voting for Brexit is because of the EU's plan for an EU army, as a veteran I shudder at the thought of Brussel's having any control over our Armed forces.

Oh c’mon Claw...Corbyn may be many things and I’m no great fan of his, but ‘terrorist loving commie’ is just absurd.

I’ll bow to your greater knowledge as far as service in the armed forces is concerned and I honestly don’t know enough about the rights and wrongs of having an EU army...but surely, as one of the bigger players within the EU, we’re better off remaining in it and making our voice heard about whatever plans there may be rather than running away. Besides, what about all the other issues involved in Brexit and what we might stand to lose?

As regards Farage...ask yourself if he ‘stands up for our country’ if and when his NHS plans ever come to fruition...that’s if he still stands by what he said a while ago...about the same time as he announced he was ‘done with Party politics’.

[swaledale]

Can I throw in my two pennyworth, some very interesting arguments brought upon this topic. However the way I see it is that the people of this country have been betrayed by both the Tories and Labour and all those muppets in Westminster so I and all members of my family will be voting for Brexit. For all those harking on about a 2ed vote it will be on the 23rd of May, lets see who comes out on top.

Good luck in the playoffs, beat dirty Leeds.

Except it isn't a 2nd referendum and you can't vote for Brexit. Sure you can vote for a right wing foreign funded right wing organisation fronted by that "man of the people" (otherwise a well paid puppet for those wealthy elites for whom Brexit will be a rich earner, but to do that one would assume either your wealthy or not very bright!

[swaledale]

I know that Farage is not everyone's cup of tea but at least he stands up for our country, not like terrorist loving commie Corbyn or insipid, dishonest May. The reason why I am voting for Brexit is because of the EU's plan for an EU army, as a veteran I shudder at the thought of Brussel's having any control over our Armed forces.

Eh no he doesn't he stands up for those wealthy funders of his who will love being able to rip off and exploit the "common man" whislt making more millions!

Our armed forces? Have you looked at our military capability lately, we don't have the capability to do anything significant on our own, so its either join with NATO, the USA or our european friends. The days when Britain was a major military power are long gone!

Plus as things stand we have a veto of being involved in any european army that may or may not evolve, so not really a point to you voting Brexit!

Cooperation between countries leads to a more peaceful world, jingoistic nationalism leads to the exact opposite - a look at history from WW" onwards will show that even when we did have a significant military capability, we needed others help to win major conflicts , we couldn't even wage a conflict like the falklands these days!