OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Andy_Faber]

it is interesting that it is those on the Right, while howling on about democracy being compromised, who are most reluctant to accept the need for a second (democratic) referendum now that the truths are out and circumstances have changed.

Be careful what you wish for. There’s a line from a song I may have used here before, by ABC as it happens, that sums up the danger inherent in a rerun - you are exposing the country to ‘the silent majority, seen but never heard’.

[ramAnag]

Be careful what you wish for. There’s a line from a song I may have used here before, by ABC as it happens, that sums up the danger inherent in a rerun - you are exposing the country to ‘the silent majority, seen but never heard’.

Appreciate all that, Andy and I don’t actually ‘wish for’ a second referendum on the basis that I’ve always thought the whole matter too complex for Joe Public to decide upon via the mechanism of any referendum. It might however just provide a way forward seeing as the, imo ridiculous, precedent has been set.

What I said was that it is ‘interesting’ that those right wing supporters of Brexit seem to form the strongest opposition to the possibility of a second Referendum despite their claims about democracy. Wonder why.

[Manofpride]

What I said was that it is ‘interesting’ that those right wing supporters of Brexit seem to form the strongest opposition to the possibility of a second Referendum despite their claims about democracy. Wonder why.

Wonder why? We've had one and won. It's like having a winner in the Grand National and the bookie not paying out because he didn't like the outcome.

[ramAnag]

Wonder why? We've had one and won. It's like having a winner in the Grand National and the bookie not paying out because he didn't like the outcome.

More like having a winner in the Grand National, then finding out the jockey/owner broke the rules but still not fancying the prospect of a fair rerun.

[Manofpride]

The people have spoken again! Farage a clean sweep! Leave means leave it's what the people want!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Actually that's not true. Ignoring the nationalists of Wales and Scotland who would appear to favour remain, the confirmed remainers (LD, Green, Change) slightly edged out Brexit & UKIP on share of vote: 35.8% to 34.9%.

In this analysis I've ignored the two main parties who do not have a clear stance.

So if this is an indicative surrogate 2nd referendum I'd say it's 1-1, again by the slimmest of margins.

[swaledale]

The people have spoken again! Farage a clean sweep! Leave means leave it's what the people want!!!

Not even remotely the truth as the actual voting figures show. What it does clearly illustrate is that there are an awful lot of dumb **** wits who will vote for a rich right wing **** funded from dubious sources who will promise them things that aren't actually achievable, but then Hitler did get voted in democratically with his promises of "changing politics" and that didn't end to well for many who voted for him and anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence will see that it won't end well for the ****wits that voted for Farage this time round. Still apparently they don't care!

[Manofpride]

Not even remotely the truth as the actual voting figures show. What it does clearly illustrate is that there are an awful lot of dumb **** wits who will vote for a rich right wing **** funded from dubious sources who will promise them things that aren't actually achievable, but then Hitler did get voted in democratically with his promises of "changing politics" and that didn't end to well for many who voted for him and anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence will see that it won't end well for the ****wits that voted for Farage this time round. Still apparently they don't care!

Dubious sources my arse!!! Dubious why, because Farage has done you again. FFS admit defeat, he's the peoples man.
Don't forget the bigger dumb ****wits who want to stay in the EU. Just because you want to remain doesn't make it right. The majority voted leave and even the latest vote proves the people want out.

[ramAnag]

Dubious sources my arse!!! Dubious why, because Farage has done you again. FFS admit defeat, he's the peoples man.
Don't forget the bigger dumb ****wits who want to stay in the EU. Just because you want to remain doesn't make it right. The majority voted leave and even the latest vote proves the people want out.

Farage hasn’t ‘done’ anyone again, MoP. Despite all the hype over substance, even in a single issue election very little has changed.

The UKIP vote has all but disappeared and gone to Farage but add up the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, Change UK and those Labour and Tory voters who didn’t defect to the BP and the picture is simply one of a polarised nation which is pretty much split down the middle.

The turn out was just over 50% I think...amazing given the National fixation that Brexit has been for the last three years and Farage managed to win over around a third of that 50%.

Hardly a ringing endorsement for Brexit, certainly not the ‘voice of the people’ and when you are only splitting your vote with the few lunatic racists remaining in UKIP and supporting the likes of Tommy Robinson that really isn’t much of an achievement.

[Manofpride]

That was like reading an article from the Mirror written by someone from the BBC.
You can dress it up all you like, Farage ruled the day.
I think we'll be leaving now with a better deal come October!

[ramAnag]

That was like reading an article from the Mirror written by someone from the BBC.
You can dress it up all you like, Farage ruled the day.
I think we'll be leaving now with a better deal come October!

Don’t know about that, but it’s true.

Seeing as you’re attempting to use a football forum to advance Farage’s cause, let’s try a football analogy to illustrate my point.

Just hypothetically, suppose there are ten football supporters in a pub on the outskirts of Nottingham...4 of them support Forest...the home town (single issue) club, three support Derby, two support Notts County, and one supports Chesterfield.
The four Forest fans think they’re the best team but although the Derby, Notts County and Chesterfield fans all differ amongst themselves one thing they all agree on is that they can’t stand Forest.
So who is the most popular club? Forest have the most individual support because they’re the home town (single issue) club and they’ve got 40%...but actually the one thing that the other 60% agree on is that they don’t think Forest are the best club.

Isn’t that your view of Brexit? you keep claiming to have the most support and represent the ‘voice of the people’ but actually there’s more against you/Farage than pro.

He was always going to get somewhere around a third of the vote because approximately that proportion of the country supports Brexit but guess what? Whichever way you ‘dress it up’ that still leaves a majority who don’t.

[AdiSalisbury]

Cheap shot using Forest as your analogy - hardly going to argue against that!

Majority voted to leave.
Minority voted to remain.
Other proportion don't care / are undecided / couldn't vote - I know you want to claim them, but you can't.

I didn't vote last week, had other priorities - you're not claiming my vote as remain.

[ramAnag]

You can use any clubs you like Adi and the analogy, on this occasion, only covers those who voted.
Obviously the Brexit Party took the UKIP vote along with many disaffected Labour and Tory voters...those who didn’t vote BP or UKIP are unlikely to support Brexit and they, whether LibDem, SDP, Labour, Tory, Welsh Nationalist, Green or ChangeUK are in the majority as far as Brexit is concerned and that is likely to be reflected in any second referendum.

[Manofpride]

Had Farage been a different person and the new Brexit Party had been the new Remain Party and won with a landslide with only
6 weeks preparation you'd be telling a different story. Credit where credits due, the mans a genius.
Looking forward now to October, he's a game changer! The rest are running scared.

[ramAnag]

Had Farage been a different person and the new Brexit Party had been the new Remain Party and won with a landslide with only
6 weeks preparation you'd be telling a different story. Credit where credits due, the mans a genius.
Looking forward now to October, he's a game changer! The rest are running scared.

Why try and tell me what I’d be saying if...? If Roos hadn’t done his ‘careless hands’ impression yesterday and if Holmes had played we might have won...so what? It means nothing.

Just answer the point...the majority of the ‘people’ didn’t vote for Farage or the BP did they? Jeez, MoP...even with his brand new toy and a single issue election he could still only get a little over a third of the 50% who bothered to vote

He isn’t a genius at all...he’s relatively articulate and charismatic if you’re gullible enough to not see straight through him, nothing more.
He’s made a personal fortune out of Europe and Brexit, but real geniuses use their talent to solve issues not create disharmony wherever they go...that’s easy.

P.S. Six weeks preparation...really? Farage has been planning his comeback ever since he abandoned UKIP and everyone had the same notice about whether these elections would actually be happening at all.

I do agree though that the rest are ‘running scared’, so yet again we have politicians from both major Parties more concerned with how to save their own skins than what is actually good for the country.