OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

J

That was with the media driven stigma that went with UKIP. Wrongly attached labels such as racist etc. The Brexit party might be a completely proposition. At least Remainers have a clear party to attach themselves now, who do leavers go with? Who knows what Labours position is bar just changing to whatever todays public opinion is. The Torys? That is not a leave party. Two buffons bumbling on promising supposed deals? Nah, not for me either.
'If' there is another general election and I think there will have to be if nothing is achieved by October and that is difficult to see. IF Fararge can get enough people to sit for election, then I am not so sure they will not cause a major shift in UK politics.
Your last paragraph could be labelled against most politicians. So not sure of the point. Like it or not, Farage has huge support now.
Unfortunately UK politics is about choosing the best or the worst.

Now that we’re all talking about the issues rather than attacking each other...

Why is ‘Nigel good for you’?

How does he have ‘huge support’? At best...with the single Brexit issue fully attached, he has the support of just over one third...at worst he’s stood for proper (Parliamentary) election seven times and lost each time, while his party (UKIP not BP) has managed one MP ever and he was elected as a Tory who changed sides.

I share your view of the shortcomings of most current politicians, but how can a Party with one policy alone have any credibility in a General Election?

[MadAmster]

I share your view of the shortcomings of most current politicians, but how can a Party with one policy alone have any credibility in a General Election?

With a policy of enhancing the lifestyles of the 1% through tax cuts, both personal and corporate, thereby giving an ever diminishing number of people more wealth and power while the rest can juggle 3 jobs and still fail to make ends meet still seems to work for the Tories........

[AngryRam]

J

Now that we’re all talking about the issues rather than attacking each other...

Why is ‘Nigel good for you’?

How does he have ‘huge support’? At best...with the single Brexit issue fully attached, he has the support of just over one third...at worst he’s stood for proper (Parliamentary) election seven times and lost each time, while his party (UKIP not BP) has managed one MP ever and he was elected as a Tory who changed sides.

I share your view of the shortcomings of most current politicians, but how can a Party with one policy alone have any credibility in a General Election?

Like it or not the next election will be a single issue election.. Neither other party will give me what what the country voted for, so Brexit Party and Nigel for me.
You can poo poo him all you like, he is here to stay until this is sorted and yes he does have ‘huge’ support of on this issue. Please, please do NOT regurgitate your old chestnut about what a majority is.. It’s boring and you prove my point that you just repeat the same old pony. Even using your one third example, that is bloody HUGE.
If they get enough candidates at an election where Brexit has not been sorted, his party will be a force. Would they win? Maybe, maybe not but they would have enough seats to be a major player in any result..

[AngryRam]

With a policy of enhancing the lifestyles of the 1% through tax cuts, both personal and corporate, thereby giving an ever diminishing number of people more wealth and power while the rest can juggle 3 jobs and still fail to make ends meet still seems to work for the Tories........

Enabling that1% to create jobs and distribute wealth to others. You will always have, haves and have nots..Millions of reasons for that but don’t blame the 1% for all the woes of the others. We would be in a bigger mess without the 1%.

[AngryRam]

I see Ford are cutting jobs across Europe 10,000? Bloody Brexit. Oh wait! Could it be that the car industry is undergoing huge change at the moment and needs to reduce everything it does. Hmmmm

[ramAnag]

I’m sure you’re right about Ford and I have never tried to make the problems in the car industry about Brexit.

As for the ‘majority’ bit...I’m sorry you find it ‘boring’...it’s also true and the maths are very simple. I agree Farage has significant support - over Brexit if nothing else - but he is also an object of derision amongst an equally ‘huge’ number...hence my contention that he is the most divisive figure in an increasingly disunited country.

Anyway, I’m not looking for any ‘tit for tat’ nonsense. I am interested in why you think you’ll benefit from Brexit though.

[AngryRam]

I’m sure you’re right about Ford and I have never tried to make the problems in the car industry about Brexit.

As for the ‘majority’ bit...I’m sorry you find it ‘boring’...it’s also true and the maths are very simple. I agree Farage has significant support - over Brexit if nothing else - but he is also an object of derision amongst an equally ‘huge’ number...hence my contention that he is the most divisive figure in an increasingly disunited country.

Anyway, I’m not looking for any ‘tit for tat’ nonsense. I am interested in why you think you’ll benefit from Brexit though.

Being in the 1%, I’m quids in..
You need to work in your maths..

[ramAnag]

‘Work in my maths’...hmmm!

[AdiSalisbury]

Managed to last 20 minutes of lecturing by BBC news at 10 this evening, reminded me of why I stopped following. How a publicly funded organisation can be so biased is appalling, it reminds me of USA news but without the adverts. If it wasn't for MotD or Spring watch I think I'd cancel my license

[Andy_Faber]

Managed to last 20 minutes of lecturing by BBC news at 10 this evening, reminded me of why I stopped following. How a publicly funded organisation can be so biased is appalling, it reminds me of USA news but without the adverts. If it wasn't for MotD or Spring watch I think I'd cancel my license

Check out the change in tone of the reporting of the Vauxhall announcement as the evening’s progressed - I think someone’s had a *******ing for being too positive and the words gone out to ‘get back on message’!

[MadAmster]

Managed to last 20 minutes of lecturing by BBC news at 10 this evening, reminded me of why I stopped following. How a publicly funded organisation can be so biased is appalling, it reminds me of USA news but without the adverts. If it wasn't for MotD or Spring watch I think I'd cancel my license

In which case you would not be able to legally watch live TV (ITV, Channel 4 etc as well as the Beeb) or use the catch up channels.

The costs of administering the TV Licence are less than you might think. For every £1 taken in licence fee payments, just 3p is spent on collection.

Part of the fee also contributes to the UK broadband rollout, funding local TV channels and S4C, the Welsh language TV channel, as was agreed with the government as part of the 2010 licence fee settlement.

[ramAnag]

I honestly don’t get all this BBC vilification. For as long as I can remember people from Harold Wilson to Margaret Thatcher, Lenny Henry to Nigel Farage have moaned about BBC bias.
Just this week Andy has been critical of them publicising the current World Cup too much...they’ve got the broadcasting rights, what do you expect?
Yes I’ve seen Andrew Marr give Farage a hard time, but I’ve also seen Jeremy Corbyn and other politicians of all persuasions laid into equally strongly and probably the two ‘politicians’ that have had the hardest time on Question Time are those diametric opposites...Dianne Abbott and Nick Griffin.
If you want real bias look at the Express, the Mail and the Sun or across the ‘pond’...Fox News or CNN.
Personally I think the BBC does a better job than most. Its job is to provide balanced impartial reflection both politically and via programme planning.
It’s not perfect but the fact that people on both the left and the right appear to protest with equal vehemence tells its own story to me.

[Geoff Parkstone]

CBBC does a grand job

[Andy_Faber]

I honestly don’t get all this BBC vilification. For as long as I can remember people from Harold Wilson to Margaret Thatcher, Lenny Henry to Nigel Farage have moaned about BBC bias.
Just this week Andy has been critical of them publicising the current World Cup too much...they’ve got the broadcasting rights, what do you expect?
Yes I’ve seen Andrew Marr give Farage a hard time, but I’ve also seen Jeremy Corbyn and other politicians of all persuasions laid into equally strongly and probably the two ‘politicians’ that have had the hardest time on Question Time are those diametric opposites...Dianne Abbott and Nick Griffin.
If you want real bias look at the Express, the Mail and the Sun or across the ‘pond’...Fox News or CNN.
Personally I think the BBC does a better job than most. Its job is to provide balanced impartial reflection both politically and via programme planning.
It’s not perfect but the fact that people on both the left and the right appear to protest with equal vehemence tells its own story to me.

It’s overreaching it’s brief RA, from reflecting the nation to trying to mould it, in many ways. I have resisted giving specifics in the past simply because I do t want to come over like TTR. Not to say it doesn’t also do a fantastic value for money job elsewhere, and I don’t agree with the Adi approach of boycotting the license fee, I’d pay it for the cricket coverage alone. And I’m not especially saying this from a left/right viewpoint although their anti Brexit stance is laughably opaque.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Apart from on the radio, do the BBC transmit any cricket still Andy? I thought, like with most sports apart from the Rugby home internationals, they had been priced out of most everything. Oh and Wimbledon, their one flagship coverage and something I do not watch as it is tedious in the extreme
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I rarely if ever watch BBC TV as I cannot stand programmes such as Question Time and their other political **** since there rarely has been an even playing field to all views and the moderators simply do not moderate well. Mind you I would miss quizzy Monday evening of Only Connect and University Challenge if it were decomissioned. till, Dave could pick up the slack there if necessary.