OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Why can't an adult male claim refugee status TTR?

He can, but the refugee scream runs a bit thin, when there is a distinct lack of women and children. Especially when most of them fall into the 18-30 bracket. Put yourself in the situation. If you had the flee terrible UK, wouldn't your top priority be your family?

[Geoff Parkstone]

It depends on whether you are a desperate refugee seperated from his family by force majeure... or a simple economic migrant. Hard to tell

[Ram59]

It depends on whether you are a desperate refugee seperated from his family by force majeure... or a simple economic migrant. Hard to tell

Or maybe a criminal on the run from justice in your own country and fancy new pickings in soft UK.

[ramAnag]

Actually rA I have worked in this field and still have an interest in it, there is much that can be criticised, including how some aid programmes seem designed to maximise the time an agency stays in the field, well lets face it who works to put themselves out of a job? I'll give you an example where funds were focused on treating the suffers of malaria in one country, but not at preventative measures and training local staff to both undertake these. Much has improved, but there are still a lot of idealistic "we here to save you poor souls" attitudes, rather than we can help you help yourselves.

Not sure why you'd say my earnings would be an issue either, theres some Uk people making big bucks, which IMO are unjustified but hey ho. personally I've never ripped anyone off in my life, its not how I did business and getting such a reputation would have been a disaster.

The 2% to 20% range is based on operating in certain countries, some are relatively free of corruption, others Afghanistan being one aren't.

I wasn’t being critical, Swale. Just assumed, from your other comments, that your income came from elsewhere.

As I say, I agreed with your post and was impressed with it.

[swaledale]

I presume you mean quoting things that have no provenance? He’s been at it on here for a decade

For someone who quotes their own narrow personal perspective as "provenance constantly thats quite funny!

Mm well if you choose to ignore reality thats entirely your own choice I've noticed many people are more comfortable in a world where they believe what suits them whatever makes you happy i suppose but it doesn't change the facts!

[swaledale]

I wasn’t being critical, Swale. Just assumed, from your other comments, that your income came from elsewhere.

As I say, I agreed with your post and was impressed with it.

Brexit rA provided unexpected income from working with companies to relocate all or part of their operations so their activities wouldn't be stymied by a "no deal" Brexit. So ironically even though i think the whole thing is a cluster****, it has given me 4 plus years of work I never expected to have.

But that does demonstrate that the world we inhabit and the way humans conduct their activities is not black and white as many would seem to assume.


If people knew how many jobs, both medium and high skilled have been relocated to the EU and of course the economic activity and tax revenues they generate that has also been lost, they might be less sanguine about the Uk's post Brexit future.

[Trickytreesreds]

Brings a tear to the eye (sniff)

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/asylum-seekers-protest-over-living-4433419

[MadAmster]

Their complaints appear reasonable. If the rules and regs aren't being adhered to and there is little or no communication from the Home Office then I see no reason to be upset by their complaints.

They say themselves that they have made friends in the community. It's not Derby or the Derbeians they are complaining about but that the rules and regs aren't being adhered to. The process is taking way longer than it's supposed to. Some of their fellow refugees are anti social.

When, Tricky, will you learn that your weak attempts to raise hackles are doomed to failure and just bugger off back to your own board..... that seems to have its most recent post way back when Pontius was a pilot?

[ramAnag]

Brings a tear to the eye (sniff)

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...living-4433419

...and your point is?

[ramAnag]

[QUOTE=swaledale;39555546] I also suspect you’re the most knowledgeable on here...again as regards Brexit.

...and thats just an insult to folk who may well know better (with either view or a balanced one) and yet keep their own council.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Ah but that would mean dealing in facts, not generalisations that can't be proved or disproved.....

In my little part of the city, in maritime insurance, I am not aware of a single lost job due to brexit even when various companies have reorganised to accommodate the cessation of passporting.

Covid - Well that may be different longer term, but hey, that can now be blamed on Brexit by those who pedal that bike, and vica versa by those that don't.

Not disputing that there may be job losses from Brexit elsewhere: just observing that I haven't seen any in my little microcosm of the service sector.

Perhaps there are job losses in Burnley or Fulham?

[ramAnag]

Ah but that would mean dealing in facts, not generalisations that can't be proved or disproved.....

In my little part of the city, in maritime insurance, I am not aware of a single lost job due to brexit even when various companies have reorganised to accommodate the cessation of passporting.

Covid - Well that may be different longer term, but hey, that can now be blamed on Brexit by those who pedal that bike, and vica versa by those that don't.

Not disputing that there may be job losses from Brexit elsewhere: just observing that I haven't seen any in my little microcosm of the service sector.

Perhaps there are job losses in Burnley or Fulham?

Seems to me that, when Swale gets anecdotal it’s just a ‘generalisation that can’t be proved or disproved’ but when you, amongst others, do the same thing then for some reason it has to be taken as ‘gospel’.

If you’re ‘not disputing that there may be job losses from Brexit’ then surely you’re in agreement with Swale over what should be a source of concern, but instead you’re sitting on the fence again and resorting to ridicule of the unimportant mistake he made last night.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Apologies rA, I thought from your previous post you wanted to be told about the job scenario impact of Brexit by way of examples. I guess my example was not what you wanted to hear. My example was very specific, not anecdotal and relates solely to the area I work in. if you dont want to learn about Brexit job related issues, dont ask unless you are prepared to hear something that may not suit your agenda. None so blind as those who dont want to see

[ramAnag]

Au contraire, Parky...it’s not a question of ‘what I wanted to hear’...I’d like to hear that Brexit will create no job losses, but that seems unlikely.

All you’ve suggested is that in your experience, and in the specific area of maritime insurance, you’ve heard of no job losses. You, quite reasonably expect those, like me, who don’t know otherwise to believe you and yet you, and one or two others, pour scorn on Swale when he speaks from the point of view of his experience.

I also didn’t ‘ask’ anything.

[Andy_Faber]

People, including me, don’t actually know how many ‘medium and high skilled’ jobs have been lost to the EU...tell people and change minds.

Swale can'y help you rA, at best its anecdotes, and it is a bit of a feature that you seem to lap up Swale's anecdotes and ignore others, including often mine, which give a different viewpoint. There will be winners and losers in Brexit (Swale appears to be a winner, so on balance amongst us Brexit looks like a good thing), there will be winners and losers in Covid, what everyone SHOULD be doing is 'their bit' which unfortunately is a forlorn hope