OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Here's some Sir Nigel for you to swoon over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2kk3VV2RpA

[swaledale]

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Simple answer is, why reply then?
But we all know your ego would never allow that to pass would it?

Year on year, the UK-EU trade figures fall and will continue to do so.
The difference is, we aren't handcuffed anymore, nor do we have to put up with the bull**** Brussels peddles. But you know this.

Brexit was always about more than money, but you never wanted to believe that either.

Sir Nigel even lied to us. In 2014, he said that 250 000 Romanians will settle here. Howls of disgust and fury raged through the land. Stop lying/stop causing sensationalism/ stop trying to whip the people up.
Well he did lie after all.
Turns out 920 000 have applied for full settlement and that's just one country.

The UK is supposed to have a population of 67 million. Yet the utility companies say it is closer to 90 000 000
All those houses/schools/services over whelmed,

Trading with the EU is business. But at what price|? Your ivory tower, doesn't put you in the same boat as pensioner trying to get to see a GP.

You amuse me, with your elitist empowerment.

Sunshine, you wouldn't recognise elitist empowerment if it hit you in the face! Basically you post utter *******s and either you know you do or if you don't then your thicker than i thought you were! Are you really so damn thick that you post links and quote statistics that clearly aren't true? Yet think this helps to back up your argument?

Oh dear oh dear, you are the gift that just keeps giving - the majority of your posts are either complete lies, a distortion of the truth, or simply false. You clearly swallow any old guff that suits your narrow perspective, but then your sources are either dodgy internet sites or renown purveyors of balanced facts like the Daily Express!

Nah its not my ego thats drawn me back into a debate with you, its just so damn funny when you post stuff that clearly isn't true and its obvious thats the case to most sentient people. I can't resist a poke and know you will then spend time posting more ****e which makes you look even more foolish.

I mean there are some serious arguments about leaving the EU, unfortunately you have failed to mention any of them, merely regurgitating the hogwash the right wing elites feed you.

So you believe the population is nearer 90 million? haha ha good stuff keep the jokes coming I'm enjoying seeing you make a **** of yourself!

So a pensioner can't see a GP due to EU immigration? Really? Did you not understand the point I made about 10 years of austerity under the Tories? Do you not think lack of investment and a chronic shortage of nurses and doctors might be an issue?

I understand that you can't comprehend complex issues but even for you thats surely quite a simple concept?

You have still to actually come back with a positive that Brexit has or even will achieve for you or the UK I see. I guess your struggling to think of one and hence keep regurgitating more right wing dog whistle lies.

[swaledale]

Yet still you do

In point of fact I haven't argued with Thicky for over a month, but sometimes its hard to resist giving him a poke just to see what gibberish he posts in reply. never fails to amuse, though in reality its rather sad, but hey ho.

[swaledale]

So Liz Truss hails a deal with India saying "The Uk can export apples to India for the first time in 50 years" As Belgium exported 10 million kilos of apples to India last year and is in the EU, how did being in the Eu prevent the UK from exporting apples to India?

Jeez the guff coming out of Government desperate to sell any old lie as a Brexit bonus is getting desperate!

[Andy_Faber]

So Liz Truss hails a deal with India saying "The Uk can export apples to India for the first time in 50 years" As Belgium exported 10 million kilos of apples to India last year and is in the EU, how did being in the Eu prevent the UK from exporting apples to India?

Jeez the guff coming out of Government desperate to sell any old lie as a Brexit bonus is getting desperate!

That’s not a fair comparison, I think your talking apples and oranges…

[ramAnag]

That’s not a fair comparison, I think your talking apples and oranges…

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

[Andy_Faber]

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

Just joshing with apples/apples thing rA

[Trickytreesreds]

I see the same nit picking is still going on

If they weren't doing their best to start trading with others, still get slaughtered.

Brexit was never about one thing like trade. As the 2 main perpetrators of that argument on here avoid.
The biggest thing was quality of life.
That comes in many forms and unless you are the bottom end of the ladder, it doesn't put you in a place to understand.
Try going to talk to some folks off council estates etc, then come back with your digs.
Champagne socialists.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Why isn’t it? If Belgium, as a member of the EU, can export apples to India what was preventing us when we were members and why is it some sort of breakthrough trade deal now that we can?

Its down to the way that quotas and preferred production areas worked under the CAP, rA. In the same way that wine production is focussed on certain natural growing areas, cheeses and other products get Protected Domain of Origin (PDO) status - eg Parma Ham, Parmesan cheese, Stilton cheese, Feta cheese and so on.

Under the CAP/PDO regime, Belgium had very few outputs that could be considered protected (chocolate, strong beer aside) and so they - as founder 6 members under the Treaty of Rome - were allocated apples as a preferred production area in order to evolve dedicated growth areas (I was going to say core areas, but....) I think Italy got lemons and I'm sure the French got other fruits, all based on ambient climate etc. Thus when Britain joined the 6, our apple exports were restricted by this preference already granted to Belgium and so our export quotas outside the bloc were restricted in order to protect the Belgian agribusiness which had invested heavily in orchards etc.

My grandfather was growing apples for the export market at the time we joined EU and had to grub up his orchards as a result, which was soul destroying as it had taken years of love, investment and labour to get the trees into mature production. He retired and the orchards are now housing estates

So now we are not constrained by the CAP and the PDO status, we can openly compete globally

[Trickytreesreds]

Its down to the way that quotas and preferred production areas worked under the CAP, rA. In the same way that wine production is focussed on certain natural growing areas, cheeses and other products get Protected Domain of Origin (PDO) status - eg Parma Ham, Parmesan cheese, Stilton cheese, Feta cheese and so on.

Under the CAP/PDO regime, Belgium had very few outputs that could be considered protected (chocolate, strong beer aside) and so they - as founder 6 members under the Treaty of Rome - were allocated apples as a preferred production area in order to evolve dedicated growth areas (I was going to say core areas, but....) I think Italy got lemons and I'm sure the French got other fruits, all based on ambient climate etc. Thus when Britain joined the 6, our apple exports were restricted by this preference already granted to Belgium and so our export quotas outside the bloc were restricted in order to protect the Belgian agribusiness which had invested heavily in orchards etc.

My grandfather was growing apples for the export market at the time we joined EU and had to grub up his orchards as a result, which was soul destroying as it had taken years of love, investment and labour to get the trees into mature production. He retired and the orchards are now housing estates

So now we are not constrained by the CAP and the PDO status, we can openly compete globally

Will you stop posting things like that.
Next you'll be accusing us, of giving all our fish away.
The EU has always done what's right for us.

[ramAnag]

I see the same nit picking is still going on

If they weren't doing their best to start trading with others, still get slaughtered.

Brexit was never about one thing like trade. As the 2 main perpetrators of that argument on here avoid.
The biggest thing was quality of life.
That comes in many forms and unless you are the bottom end of the ladder, it doesn't put you in a place to understand.
Try going to talk to some folks off council estates etc, then come back with your digs.
Champagne socialists.

When someone posts an intelligent response, such as GP’s about Belgium’s apples, I understand that he probably understands more about a specific issue than I do, Tricky.

When you post that ‘Brexit was never about one thing like trade’...that somehow being in the EU was detrimental to my/our ‘quality of life’ and describe Swale and I as ‘champagne socialists’ I just laugh and remember the old advice about arguing with idiots.

[Geoff Parkstone]

When someone posts an intelligent response, such as GP’s about Belgium’s apples, I understand that he probably understands more about a specific issue than I do,

Mind you, I could have just made the whole thing up to see how much the Swale approach of giving seemingly plausible falsehoods an air of authority can work for others

[Trickytreesreds]

When you post that ‘Brexit was never about one thing like trade’...that somehow being in the EU was detrimental to my/our ‘quality of life’ and describe Swale and I as ‘champagne socialists’ I just laugh and remember the old advice about arguing with idiots.

So to be clear.
You are saying Brexit was only about trade then and immigration/services/housing(quality of life)/being ruled by more and more by a federal bureacracy had feck all to do with it?

Champagne socialists. Do you live in a crowded urban environment? Do you live near the bottom rung of the cash ladder|?

If you don't then yes, you ARE a champagne socialist.

[ramAnag]

You could, GP, but too much verisimilitude and emotion about your grandfather’s orchards. I’m not going to argue with that.

Don’t need to anyway...could just ask about the shortage of fruit (fruit pickers), the shortage of deliveries and refuse collecting (lack of HGV drivers), the shortage of hotel and restaurant staff (EU hospitality workers) etc, etc. Sure Covid has played a part but it’s largely down to you know what.

It’s a bit like how all the corner shops and taxi firms were taken over by Asians because the indigenous white population didn’t fancy the long hours...then there was an unemployment crisis and the same people started moaning about ‘Pakis’ taking ‘our’ jobs.

[Trickytreesreds]

You could, GP, but too much verisimilitude and emotion about your grandfather’s orchards. I’m not going to argue with that.

Don’t need to anyway...could just ask about the shortage of fruit (fruit pickers), the shortage of deliveries and refuse collecting (lack of HGV drivers), the shortage of hotel and restaurant staff (EU hospitality workers) etc, etc. Sure Covid has played a part but it’s largely down to you know what.

It’s a bit like how all the corner shops and taxi firms were taken over by Asians because the indigenous white population didn’t fancy the long hours...then there was an unemployment crisis and the same people started moaning about ‘Pakis’ taking ‘our’ jobs.

And the argument to that is, WAGES!!!

I'll pick on lorry drivers, because my neighbour is one.
We've had many a long discussion about this and the list above came into it.

When he started driving in the 80's, the money was wonderful, for years.
Firms paid well, good pensions etc. Then it started to open up with foreign drivers coming in.
You got agencies jumping on board, offering these jobs abroad for less money. But to them it was a fortune and the wage started to drop.
Poland was the first big jump and they flooded in. Happy to work long hours for £10-12 an hour, as it was 3 times what they made in Poland.
Then they started to realise, that the standard of living was rising in Poland and they were being shafted and the emphasis shifted to Romania.
So the cycle continued. Suppressed wages for all and the pay earned was frittered away back abroad.
Now the Romanians are drifting as they get better money.

You can apply this analogy across the board, from your fruit pickers, to electricians etc.
I myself, went into an apprenticeship and further education all paid for by an employer.
THE LAST 20 YEARS HAS SEEN THAT VANISH. Because employers have had a pool of labour to pick, without investments.

Where has that left us? Bolloxed basically. Lack of skills for the future, suppressed wages, population explosion sucking up everything.
All because the EU said it was wonderful.
The same tripe comes out all the time to justify it. We need more migration to deal with the population growth. The population grows and more demands are made.

All it has done, is create an underclass here now, with people without a degree struggling to gain anything.

I think that's wrong and its our own fault, for allowing it to happen.